Restaurant Work Help

Nov 10, 2007
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I have been trying to get a job at a restaurant for a while, and have decided to make a demo video of 2 of 3 tricks I perform, but in the first part of the video I wanted to introduce myself by taking them through a brief summary of what I do, this is what I have so far:
Hello my name is _____________ and I am 16 years old. I have been performing magic for 3 years, I specialize in close up magic. I take a lot of pride in my art.
I dont know what to say past that is that enough? Too little? Too much? Please give e some advice
Thank You-
Donald
 
Jun 27, 2008
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hey bro i recently thought of doing the same thing and putting it on youtube and then giving different restaurants the url and my number on like an Ace or something. Umm, I would say how you feel about magic and why you think it is good intertainment and then put in a couple live well edited performances (just doing a few tricks for a camera could turn an employer off). You want them to see the reactions and how much people enjoy your performances because you don't know if the employer likes magic. If he/she sees that people enjoy themselves and thinks that your magic would mesh well with the environment of the restaurant then they may put their personal feelings about magic aside.

On a side note, what do you plan to charge for your services? This is something that I have been trying to figure out.
 
after "I take pride in my art say:

" I believe that magic can brighten up anyones day, wether it is a crying child, an elderly person in a nursing home or even a cancer patient. I feel that by performing magic I also am giving back to the community and that is improtant to me. But no more words, let's just let the magic speak for itself, shall we? I hope you will enjoy the following effects and I hope I can make your day just a little bit better. Goodbye."

That seems good enough. At least for me because those are my real thoughts on this subject.

Dylan P.
 
Nov 10, 2007
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Thank You Dylan P. I really like that do you mid if I use it? Chrystall baller I was thinking on charging 50$ per hour, but I will give the first night for free to see how they like it and how the customers like it:)
 
Jul 29, 2008
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I am quite honestly young but in MY opinion I think that $50 is alot per hour, someone please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm learning but yeah...
 
Oct 10, 2007
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Wayne Houchin posted a daily up date on the subject you can go to his page and watch it is the video labeled 02 in the WH UPDATE
hope that helps
 
Jul 29, 2008
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Wow really?
$120 dollars per hour? But isn't that just for like professional magicians like PROFESSIONAL not just working? How I said that is kinda weird but hopefully someone will understand what I mean.
 
Jun 27, 2008
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I think they only charge that much when it is a party. When working at a resaurant i was thinking more like $10 per hour. I think that is more realistic for restaurants. If i walked in and applied for a job with the economy like it is and asked for $50 an hour id ger laughed at. No offense seriosly though do you want to spend a bunch of time looking for a place to pay that much or get a job soon for less. one in the hand is worth two in the bush thats my opinion
 
Sep 26, 2007
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To be honest, I would avoid a video altogether. You are trying to sell a service, an up close and personal entertainment service to be exact. I feel that you will be only hurting yourself by having your first impression be made via a video.

If you are hoping to be an entertainer, in which you will be personally interacting with the client, then directly meeting the restaurant manager from the offset is a must. If you are wanting to take the first step via a video, you are sending the message that you are too lazy to visit the restaurant yourself and it seriously takes away from the "professional" image you are trying to sell.

Do yourself a favor and practice your sales pitch. You might get turned down a few times, but go into a restaurant, walk up to the reception table (hand a business card if you have them), and say, "Hello, my name is _______ and I am a working close-up magician. I was wondering if your manager was available to talk with for possible work." They will most likely introduce you to the manager, in which 1: you might actually give your demonstration and pitch right there, or 2:, they will set up an appointment to come back and talk at a later date, or 3: they just might tell you they are not interested at the current time.

In any case, you have not experienced anything bad or anything to be afraid of. But, if you were to walk in, and drop off a tape, the manager will get the feeling that you are "taking a stab in the dark and not really expecting to succeed."
 
Jan 13, 2008
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During one of the first few Justin Miller chats I asked him about wages...he said that back when he was first starting out, about $65 for three hours would be about fair. Nowadays, he suggested not accepting any less than $100-200 (US dollars) per three hours at a restaurant.

Note that three hours is a good amount of time to work for a restaurant for a night.

Also note that my brother, who I would consider an intermediate magician (but a professional as far as presentation goes--he has a lot of charisma), now makes no less than $200 (Canadian dollars) per HALF HOUR (for pretty much any event he does). (also note that my brother doesn't work at restaurants for a set pay, just tips, seeing as he owns the restaurant--and I only do magic there for fun, ie for free, because he's my brother and I like to help him out (just as he helps me out, ie by getting a lot of my magic supplies)). :)

So yeah, please do the art a favour and don't let yourself get underpaid. If you're willing to get paid $10 an hour for doing magic, just go volunteer--it'll look better on your "resume" for when you're ready to accept a real job in magic, anyway. :)
 
Jun 27, 2008
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Nowadays, he suggested not accepting any less than $100-200 (US dollars) per three hours at a restaurant.

Note that three hours is a good amount of time to work for a restaurant for a night.

Also note that my brother, who I would consider an intermediate magician (but a professional as far as presentation goes--he has a lot of charisma), now makes no less than $200 (Canadian dollars) per HALF HOUR (for pretty much any event he does).
So yeah, please do the art a favour and don't let yourself get underpaid. If you're willing to get paid $10 an hour for doing magic, just go volunteer--it'll look better on your "resume" for when you're ready to accept a real job in magic, anyway. :)

Wow. I just can't see me getting paid that much where I live. I guess it would depend on the type of restaurant though. I was thinking of a cafe that is trendy and mostly caters to younger people. I thought about this very upscale restaurant but I get the feeling that people go there for a quiet evening out. I also thought of just a franchise like Longhorn, O'Charlies, or Out Back but then I thought that a chain would be less likely to hire a non essential type of employee such as an entertainer. I have had numerous people tell me that i need to find a way to market this talent but I'm not sure where to go. Someone suggested this arcade/family fun center/buffet that is locally owned because parents and older people set their kids play games and laser tag and go-carts and such but there is nothing there for them except food and television, but I'm not sure. What do you guys think?

And should I really charge that much? I mean I don't want to sell myself short but I don't want to rob people either.
 
Jan 13, 2008
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You are NOT robbing people by charging that much. You WILL be selling yourself short if you accept less...and you'll be setting the bar nice and low for those who follow in your wake.

But yeah, there's a local magician in my city who works the Pizza Hut around here on Wednesday nights...makes a pretty penny doing it. They advertise him like crazy; they're really trying to hype him up to get business on those nights (they have posters all over in the restaurant advertising him).
 
Jan 13, 2008
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Okay. But do you think I am better off with a chain or a privately owned place? What about country clubs?
Quite honestly, whatever you can get. Try them all. Even if you worked at a different place every night of the week--whatever it takes. Personally, working maybe 2-4 nights a week would be ideal, because that leaves me some room to book other events (and you're bound to get some working at a restaurant--it's like a gateway for other events, since you meet such a variety of people while working in the restaurant). But you're a different person, so whatever works for you. :)

If you can get a hold of Justin Miller's Strolling Hands lecture notes, that'd prolly help you quite a bit. They're perfect for anyone thinking about getting into restaurant magic. I highly recommend them! :)
 
Oct 10, 2007
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I am quite honestly young but in MY opinion I think that $50 is alot per hour, someone please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm learning but yeah...

50 dollars an hour is a lot if your just starting out, and really low if you've been in the game awhile

I recommend going no lower than 30 an hour tho (so that would be absolute minimum)

Also, I would have to tell you that the video idea has a high failure rate. You need to talk to the manager of the place you would like to work at in person and tell them everything the restaurant will get out of you performing there.

Ex. Happy customers, good advertisement, etc.
 
Mar 29, 2008
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I have educated MANY youths in seminars on obtaining restaurant work - I have worked restaurants for some time - and have established myself in 3 different cities that have NEVER had the experience of close up magic in restaurants before...so I have had to be a trail blazer, so I have vaste experience in selling magic to restaurant owner's.

This being said: I will ask you this first - ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE GOOD ENOUGH FOR RESTAURANTS? It is one of the hardest venues to work, and if you have never tried it - and you don't have the tricks that work in this venue, or the right idea of how to make it work for the restaurant - then you could be hurting yourself long term....like being a "joe" on pro's verus Joes - you may just end up looking like a "guy that does tricks" and I have seen many good magicians get eaten up by restaurant crowds. There - I have a small disclaimer...read on.

First, I don't recommend a video, as promo video's may be good for peaking interest in what you do, but not making the pitch to a restaurant. I think it is best to set up a meeting, I usually stop in during slower restaurant times (read: NOT lunch or dinner) and introduce myself. I ask the owner/manager if we can meet to discuss a business opportunity. They will want to know what it is about - then you give them a small pitch.

What you have in your video is a start - but focus on answering questions they may have:

Will people like this?
Will in interfere with business? How does it work (will everyone see it/table to table)?
When will you perform?
Is he any good?
Unthought of stuff - how do you help their business? Alleviate time wait, entertainment, etc.

Don't talk price right away - they may ask you at this point, but I defer and say, "Well, my prices are reasonable, but I would love to meet and see how I can best meet your needs before we talk a price" - because it works on a hourly/per day charge - your price WILL vary, so this is a honest answer. Moreover, it allows me to "up sell" my skills - which may include a portfolio of newspaper clipping and recommendation letters OR I discuss how I would up the patonage by acting as a living advertisment in telling people where they can see me perform.


AS for price - You have to keep things in mind - MOST restaurants work on a ROI (return on investment) principle - so if you charge $50.00 for a hour, they want to know you are pulling in more than that...sometimes as much as three times more - depending on the ROI plan. I don't care WHO you are - you can't PROVE you are making three times MORE for a restaurant, a hour - so, the focus should be on the intangibles - and hope they see a draw, how you effect the atmosphere, and what it adds for customers. I AM NOT SAYING CHARGE LITTLE - I am just saying keep in mind budgets and perceived value/expense.

Again - the topic of price - ask for what you feel comfortable with, but NO restaurant is going to pay you $120.00 a hour...for 2-4 hours every week. Also, if this is the price of your private show, realize that it is on the low side - restaurant fees vary from 100-200 for a few hours, and is usually negotiated based on how many hours, while private shows can profit you 4 to 10 times that amount.

I compare it, I hope not insultingly, to a one night stand with an escort versus a long term relationship - with a one night stand...you are paying A LOT to get what you pay little by little for in a long term relationship.

However, much like a long term relationship, you get a longer chance to prove your worth - and in magic - work gets work. Working restaurants allows you to sell yourself, while you are getting paid. I know some guys that work restaurants for free, because they can sell themselves so well to tables for private shows, where they make more money.

I wouldn't recommend charing a lower fee just to get in restaurants - I find this a stupid move I have seen many do and wish they hadn't. If you are making $25 a hour...and work at this place for awhile - then you meet a guy that you feel you are better and more entertaining than, and he is making double - you may think - I am going to ask for more money? However, what will you tell your Owner? My pass is better, so can you pay me more? Your rate will set things out early, and as hard as it is to get restaurant work - it will be harder after some time to double your pay and get increases worthy of your time/talent after a few years.

Therefore, I recommend NOT doing restaurant magic until you feel like you can ask for a price that is competitive. When setting a fee it is smart to ask what you feel comfortable for, but if you don't feel comfortable in asking for the going rate - maybe your magic is not ready for restaurants yet? There is no rush - because once you start working in magic, it is hard to back track - and you don't want to be one of those guys that is trying to quickly (and SLOPPYILY, for a lack of a term) learn new things just because the regulars have seen your Invisible Deck routine five times...and it's getting old.

Well, I know I wrote a lot - but I hope you see there is much valuable info here - feel free to PM me with any specific questions. I could honestly write on the topic forever...there are many books and videos on it - but no book or video will do you justice, just like no video will - because each experience is different. There are many things that are the same each time you talk to a restaurant Owner, but just as with magic audiences, each one will see it different. I have had some see it as an art, others as a waste of money - but in the end, they are paying for YOU (and what you can do to help them make $) - not just the magic.

It is show business - two words. Make sure your show part is 100% and then get ready to try and learn about the business part of it. There is MUCH about the business part that, if you do not know, will close many doors for you. So - be careful.

Good luck in selling your skills!
 
Nov 10, 2007
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Now that I have got my introduction to my video/promopackage it will sound like this:
Hello my name is _____________ and I am 16 years old. I have been performing magic for 3 years, I specialize in close up magic. I take a lot of pride in my art. I believe that magic can brighten up anyones day, whether it is a crying child, an elderly person in a nursing home or even a cancer patient. I feel that by performing magic I also am giving back to the community and that is improtant to me.
How does it sound so far
by the way props to Dylan P. , Morgician and anyone who has helped me so far.
Now in my promo package I wanted to give them a reason to why they should hire me?
Question:
How can I help your business?
I know I can help your business in several different ways:
#1
With the economy being the way it is people will have less oppurtunities to eat out at restuaurants whether it be fancy or whether it be fast food. With that being said you need to give people a reason to come to your restaurant. There are hundreds of restaurants why they are going to pick your restaurant? They are going to go to your restaurant now because you have unbeatable entertainment, every restaurant has the same entertainment MUSIC. Customers eventually get sick of music, how can they get sick of magic because whether it be locals or new customers they will always see something new.
I dont know what to put past that any suggestions or comments please post.
Thank You
-Donald
 
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