Why are people so obsessed with the art thing? Does it become more legitimate to play with cups and balls if it's considered art?
I mean you are already producing doves and candles out of thin air with pure skill. It's as legit as it can be.
Meaningless if it can't be labeled as art?
Entertainment is not worse than art just less substantial.
Are we just talking BS here on the forums, or do we actually have a point when we say that patter/presentation/emotional hook are the most important part of an effect?
I think this routine is put together so well that it doesn't really need most of the things you mentioned.
I think your right, Toby, about whats 'important' in magic, but i think there's one more thing thats even more important, that you didnt mention. Simplicity. Although this routine is a quite complex idea, its performed simply. Like you said - 'we have a green light, the cards become green'. I think this routine is so visual, that, that is all it needs.
For instance Lennart Green has a wonderful FISM act that is compelling for magicians and layman alike.
Did he make sense of it, though? Why does the color change when near the light sometimes, but not others? Why does it change at all? I would contest that, while this routine is very well executed, it is a shining example of the pointlessness of modern magic. What is the point or meaning of any of this routine? It was done because he can do it. That's it. Same thing with the Rick Merrill routine. Sportscasting patter, no ultimate meaning or reason, just "look what I can do."
Are you getting at what makes it artistic versus entertaining? I can see your point, and I would tend to agree. What kind of acts do you know that do a good job of pointing to a greater truth?
Most magic that I see is done because the person can do it. That is the depth and extent of the meaning behind it. I do think that there is a bit of a shift happening where people want to do more meaningful magic, I just don't know if I'm being hopeful, or if it will even actually happen.
i think he did make sense of it. if he had just did all the same color changes without the lights, it would have been equally as impressive, but not nearly as good of a routine. by the way, im not sure what you mean by "pointlessness modern magic". does any magic have a point. think of the oldest, most classic magic trick: sawing a woman in half... why? what is the point of that? i think that the fact that magic doesnt have a point is what makes it great: we create the illusion that we can do anyting and then we live up to that expectation.
Art ? Art? - I believe if you look "art" up in a dictionary thinking " What does art have to do with magic you will be surprised. Now , look up "magic" and is how many times the word "art" is used to define magic.
Who hasn't been to Disneyland and brought back great, fun, memories? Is Disneyland art? No, it is an amusement park geared toward family entertainment with some artistic traits integrated within. Now look at an art museum. It is full of historical facts and exhibits of pure arts yet very little entertainment value to those not in an artful niche. SO, do you want to be Disneyland, a charismatic, personable, quirky, and fun performer who has some powerful artistic moments. Or would you rather be a museum, full of artistic demonstrations, purist, Fism magic act and generally forgettable?
Is Disneyland art? Yes, absolutley. Is everything in a museum art? No. Historical significance is not connected to emotional impact.
May you explain to me how Disneyland is Art? Disneyland sure has original characters and is like stepping into a fantastical world. However, it isn't art oriented like a museum; instead it is focused toward entertainment and bringing their guests into a fantasy world of Disney's creation. Isn't that what you want your participants at your magic show to feel like? Also just a correction, an art museum is what I'm talking about, not just a museum. Art museum being a place where they focus on preserving and showcasing art and art styles through the ages. These museums are BORING, sure they have the niche crowd and art snobs, but generally aren't memorable by the general populace.
Meaningless if it can't be labeled as art?