Wounded

[FOO:L]

hmm, i never really got any association between stigmata and religion. apart from the name of the trick (of course). People usually think that i have some "soap substance" or am able to control my blood flow to my arms.

IDEA! you could open with stigmata and move it towards the "oh i can control my blood flow" patter line. Then show them that you REALLY can control your blood flow. ( perform Wounded then a pulse stop.) That would turn the magic totally off any religious implications and steer it more towards total body control.

 

[papercraneproductions]

You should see he outtakes from the kids party or the senior citizens ice cream social where we performed this.

 

[OwnerM]

Well, I think almost any trick can be "morphed" into whatever you want depending on how you decide to patter.

For example, FOO:L's idea was brilliant. It has nothing to do with religion, it's stated that the performer can control his blood and bodily functions. That's it. Quite a wonderful deception.

Personally, I'd perform this in a Halloween show or something. There are also people who, like David Blane, are into the "shock value" of a performance. It all depends upon who you are, your style and the type of audience you want to attract.

As for audience reactions, you know, you really can't control it all. I mean, I've been called the whole gambit: from "the child of the devil", (my personal favorite) to "just another cog in government mind control" to "that guy with the powers to control minds". I get that kind of stuff even though I tell them with every show that I have no powers and all I'm doing is fooling them.

I think the key is to be true to yourself. In other words, if you feel uncomfortable with performing a trick because you think YOUR audience will not like it, then don't perform it. Or better yet, adapt it to fit your style. That's the beauty of good patter.

You are the one performing and reaching out to these people. I don't mean to pontificate about this, but you are giving yourself to them. You know what fits you and why it fits you and you have the real power to make tricks adapt to you.

Keep true to that, and your audience will understand.

 

[Flyspazz]

Hey man, listen, it's great that you have your opinion on religion but to be honest this isn't the place for that sort of stuff.....

Thank you.
Lets keep the preaching and Politics where they belong. Which is not on magic sites.
Wounded could have a variety of innuendos, overtones and reactions (one of them being religion) which are fair game for discussion.

When you start throwing around personal views on politics and religion you’re just asking for hurt feelings and endless bickering.

Two weeks ago I watched a friend perform this and his presentation was on how easy it is for people to get conned out of money by dishonest stealing witch doctors, medians, and psychics.
The reactions were amazing and the specs walked away stunned from seeing such an awesome sight and from being warned of rip off artists. Religion never entered the picture because of the presentation.

 

[Phenomena]

why would you even think about performing this then?

if you fear it might go over wrong because your performing this effect to a christian crowd, THEN DONT PERFORM IT.

 

[praetoritevong]

why would you even think about performing this then?

if you fear it might go over wrong because your performing this effect to a christian crowd, THEN DONT PERFORM IT.

that makes no sense, that's avoiding the issue, like saying "If it's too hard for you, don't bother." As numerous others have said, it's quite possible to shape presentation including patter so that the performance doesn't reflect Christian connotations which is what I guess should be done.

 

[RDChopper]

that makes no sense, that's avoiding the issue, like saying "If it's too hard for you, don't bother." As numerous others have said, it's quite possible to shape presentation including patter so that the performance doesn't reflect Christian connotations which is what I guess should be done.

That's right, that's where I wanted to go, see, I didn't start this to make a debate about religion, I started this because I wanted to know what other patter could I give for that trick, and to know what do you guys think about religion connotations into tricks.... haven't you had comments of people that say that "your magic is evil"or that"Playing with cards is against jesus" I mean, Sometimes is hard, is another thing we have to deal with....


Cheers!

 

[Teddy94]

I personally think this Wounded and Control are great tricks, especially if you are performing to teenagers or young adults. I mean, crying blood gets great reactions and, as weird as this sounds, people really love it.

 

[MaGiK Man]

Go Catholics! haha anyway..i think this wounded is pushing the limits...i do not think control pushes the limits though. Making blood come you your eyes is way to emo for me...

 

[Steerpike]

The responses in this thread reinforce a personal belief of mine. Specifically, about 99.99% of the people on this message board are people I would not want anywhere near effects like Wounded.

To perform this effect requires the utmost sense of theatricality. A performer must genuinely understand pathos, drama, and character. Otherwise, they're going to look like a complete tool.

I call myself a Shadowlander. The Shadowland is a fictional world I created for the purpose of my scripting. It is a world that mirror our own and is the source of what we consider to be mystic phenomena, but the barrier between the two worlds is tenuous at times and breaches occur at random. I am able to create small breaches for a short period and travel through the Shadowland as if in a dream. To reinforce this, I have a number of effects at the ready to demonstrate my abilities such as apportations, pulse stopping, and other strange phenomena.

Wounded, for me, would be a performance of what happens when I get in over my head and meddle in forces with power that dwarfs my own. Psychic wounding, as it were.

In the context of my Shadowland scripting, Wounded makes sense. That's not to say it's the only place it makes sense, but there is an explanation and it is appropriate to the situation.

This effect is most certainly not for everyone. It takes a psecific breed of performer to be able to do this and not make an idiot of himself. And the audience is going to pick up on that. There will always be a market for shock magic, and there will always be shock magicians. But I would argue that they are people who know better than anyone except perhaps haunted magicians what it's like to play with fire.

 

[RDChopper]

The responses in this thread reinforce a personal belief of mine. Specifically, about 99.99% of the people on this message board are people I would not want anywhere near effects like Wounded.

To perform this effect requires the utmost sense of theatricality. A performer must genuinely understand pathos, drama, and character. Otherwise, they're going to look like a complete tool.

I call myself a Shadowlander. The Shadowland is a fictional world I created for the purpose of my scripting. It is a world that mirror our own and is the source of what we consider to be mystic phenomena, but the barrier between the two worlds is tenuous at times and breaches occur at random. I am able to create small breaches for a short period and travel through the Shadowland as if in a dream. To reinforce this, I have a number of effects at the ready to demonstrate my abilities such as apportations, pulse stopping, and other strange phenomena.

Wounded, for me, would be a performance of what happens when I get in over my head and meddle in forces with power that dwarfs my own. Psychic wounding, as it were.

In the context of my Shadowland scripting, Wounded makes sense. That's not to say it's the only place it makes sense, but there is an explanation and it is appropriate to the situation.

This effect is most certainly not for everyone. It takes a psecific breed of performer to be able to do this and not make an idiot of himself. And the audience is going to pick up on that. There will always be a market for shock magic, and there will always be shock magicians. But I would argue that they are people who know better than anyone except perhaps haunted magicians what it's like to play with fire.

Great point you made there friend, on your case( I mean being a practicant of bizarre magic) its great given the storyline you tell, in my case I think its a great effect, it just doesn't fits my style, lets just remember to analyse our prospect for spectators before we come to them, since we dont know how can they react to effects like this one over here.

 

[Deleted member 2755]

The responses in this thread reinforce a personal belief of mine. Specifically, about 99.99% of the people on this message board are people I would not want anywhere near effects like Wounded.

To perform this effect requires the utmost sense of theatricality. A performer must genuinely understand pathos, drama, and character. Otherwise, they're going to look like a complete tool.

I call myself a Shadowlander. The Shadowland is a fictional world I created for the purpose of my scripting. It is a world that mirror our own and is the source of what we consider to be mystic phenomena, but the barrier between the two worlds is tenuous at times and breaches occur at random. I am able to create small breaches for a short period and travel through the Shadowland as if in a dream. To reinforce this, I have a number of effects at the ready to demonstrate my abilities such as apportations, pulse stopping, and other strange phenomena.

Wounded, for me, would be a performance of what happens when I get in over my head and meddle in forces with power that dwarfs my own. Psychic wounding, as it were.

In the context of my Shadowland scripting, Wounded makes sense. That's not to say it's the only place it makes sense, but there is an explanation and it is appropriate to the situation.

This effect is most certainly not for everyone. It takes a psecific breed of performer to be able to do this and not make an idiot of himself. And the audience is going to pick up on that. There will always be a market for shock magic, and there will always be shock magicians. But I would argue that they are people who know better than anyone except perhaps haunted magicians what it's like to play with fire.

I agree with Steerpike.

I don't do very creepy magic usually. Sometimes I may throw in something weird, but generally.... I do not.

Oh and Steerpike... you could write a novel about everything you just said in your last post.

-Doug

 

[Steerpike]

lets just remember to analyse our prospect for spectators before we come to them, since we dont know how can they react to effects like this one over here.

Well, you just have to know your audience. Religious people wouldn't like me very much because I'm sarcastic, irreverent, and a little unsettling when I want to be.

However, the kind of people who want to see haunted magic are the kind of people who want to be scared.

I'd like to point out that if you search for threads I've started, I have an old one called, "Are you dark or just a punk?" that discusses the differences between spooky and creepy.

Wounded is a little too explicit to fit what I would consider creepy. It would be creepy however if you were presenting it under the context of showing it to random people on the streets.

Oh and Steerpike... you could write a novel about everything you just said in your last post.

Don't give me any ideas.

Would you believe I got the name Shadowland listening to Swedish metal band, Nocturnal Rites?

 

[RDChopper]

hey steer, just wondering,knowing that you are a bizarrist and all ( I dont know a lot of magicians of that type) wich tricks do you include in you routine??? what do you expect form people? to laugh? to amaze? or to be afraid? Im interested in your kind of magic man.

 

[frezzing aces]

you could talk about the amount of dyes in foods, eat a jaffa, get a bowl of onions, making red tears

 

[Steerpike]

hey steer, just wondering,knowing that you are a bizarrist and all ( I dont know a lot of magicians of that type) wich tricks do you include in you routine??? what do you expect form people? to laugh? to amaze? or to be afraid? Im interested in your kind of magic man.

It depends very heavily on the show. I'm working on a parlor magic show of "A Christmas Carol", I perform seances, and I have a couple different Halloween routines I'm working on.

Again, it really depends on the context.