If Criss tells the audience that what they see is what they get.Then isn't what they are seeing "magic"?
In the context of a performance to fool an audience. Yes. There is no such thing as "real magic".
So he is telling them that everything he is doing is magic.
Now here is where you twist the words and meanings to fit your stance.
There is a major difference between saying "I'm going to do some magic" and saying "I really can speak to the dead." Major, major difference. One is to entertain. The other is to exploit.
If you can't see that difference, if you honestly can't, then I don't think you should be performing, or you're going to get scammed. In fact, it sounds like you already have. Sorry.
If he indeed cut the black man (he actually did) then what is the audience going to think.He said is not fake, that he never met him,that its real so It must be magic.If CAmera tricks and stooging are ruled out then what is the only logical explanation? Well magic of course.
Faulty logic. No one actually believed that he cut open a person. If they did, why wasn't he arrested? Why was it just a blip on a tv show instead of on the news?
No, there is a difference between performing a trick and saying you have powers. No matter how much you try to twist it.
SO he is Essentially saying"Im a magician and I have real Powers,look I can disappear this card and cut this man out,let him bleed and Pull the card out.
Remember its all real magic"
No, he's not. That is what YOU want it to say. That is how YOU are interpreting it so that you can have your weak stance on this. He said nothing of the kind. If you go up to Criss and ask him if he had powers and why isn't the man dead, etc, I'm sure he's say that it was a trick, not that he has supernatural powers. Any performer worth her or his salt will say the same thing.
But, here's the difference: JIM DID say he had powers. On live television.
This is not a side track,Its the same thing.what is he doing in the show? Promoting his "magical powers",
Wrong again. He's on the show to promote himself, sure, but he is not there to prove he has "Magical Powers". His show is to freak you out. (Hence the name, "Mindfreak"), you can do that without any powers whatsoever.
....and it seems like he does his job well. You seemed to be freaked out by the "cutting the man open to get the card" trick.
what was jim doing? the same thing.
No, no, no, no, no, no and no. I saw that clip. Jim said specifically that he HAS THE POWER OF TALKING TO A DEAD PERSON. On top of that, he names that person. That is quite, quite different than simply performing a trick. Jim was clearly trying to improve his chances of winning by trying to exploit people's emotions.
THe only difference is that Criss was stupid enough to call someone out.Criss is a liar,Jim is a liar.
We are all liars. That's my point. But the reason why we lie makes the difference. For example, in my shows, I actually say to my audience, "I am going to lie to you for the rest of the show." and you know what? They are still amazed. When we perform, we are doing the same thing without actually saying it. It's understood that there is no "real magic" happening to get the card from the middle to the top, or cut a person to get the card. The audience knows that they were fooled, and on top of that, enjoys the experience.
But once you say "I have powers" and I mean say it, especailly on national television, then you are saying that you can do what science can't explain. You are above science, you should be revered in awe, (or sent money to) because you are beyond human. And there are desparate, gullible people who will give anything, (way more than just simply paying for just a show), to have their real pain and suffering aliveated by a false hope. That is a more than lieing. That is exploitation.
everyone?Who are you to think for everyone.
Okay, I'm sorry. There are a few nutcases out there who think that someone performing a trick means that they have supernatural powers. Most people are intelligent and reasonable and know that they've been fooled.
The audience doesn't know its not a trick because angel rules out that question by lying and walking on water and levitating from one building to another.
But, HE DOESN'T SAY OUTRIGHT THAT HE HAS POWERS. Jim did. That's the difference. Are you telling me that people should believe you have powers because you can make a card appear at the top of the deck? Please.
So you are telling me that its ok to go on TV and say that your magic is reaL?
Nope, I've never said that, though you are trying very hard to put words in my mouth. In fact, I've said the opposet. And, here's the point, Criss has NEVER said he has "real magic powers". In fact, in every interview I've seen him in, he denies flatly that he does.
You are trying to draw out a statement via an inference. Be careful.
WAIT ISNT THAT what Jim did?
Yes it was. And that's why he deserved to be taken down right there. Because he is setting himself up to be able to exploit people.
so they did the same thing huh,
If you think so, then you are truly guillible. No offense.
so Angel is an ideological bigot.
Let's see Jim talk to my dead grandmother. If he could do that, then I will agree with you. Until then, I say that Jim is more interested in exploiting people's emotions and beliefs to his own advatange without regard to those people's wellfare.
...I'll stand by the "ideological bigot" anytime over what Jim is.
Isnt lying about levitating,walking on water,spliting a girl in half,having psychic powers,turning a girl into an adult the same thing,.And he also uses his "magic for personal gain"
No. Because he's not claiming that he can do those things for a fee to everyone. For example: if GuyOne performs a trick that makes a woman younger, and asks people pay for seeing that trick. But GuyTwo performs the trick and says "I can make you younger too, just send me money and with my power I'll make you younger".
The GuyOne is Criss. The GuyTwo is Jim. Who would you trust? Wait. Nevermind. I already know that answer. You would call GuyOne an "ideological bigot".....
In an episode he supposedly found keys to a car and kept it.And stop making Jim like a guy that says he has real powers all over the place.His website is full of claims saying that is all entertainment.And in the show other did mentalism too,stigmata is way more offensive than talking to a ghost.
Nope. I won't stop saying what I said about Jim. He started it. He's trying to back off now, but as I've stated before, he's not going all the way. He's still attacking Criss. Why? Because Criss exposed him for the fraud he is. I feel that if Criss didn't call him up, Jim would still be claiming he can talk to the dead.
Sorry, don't trust the guy. Should've had the integreity to not go down that path in the beginning. He's changing his tune only because he's been called on it. And he's mad that he had.
I've seen people like this before. I call 'em as I see 'em. Uri started that stuff and still tries to get away with it. Jim is no different in my opinion.
About stigmata being more offensive, well, that's your opinion. I find setting yourself up to exploit people far more offensive than any trick.
If you tell me that the things he does are not exploiting peoples emotions then I guess jesus never did either.
Sorry, I have to say this: You seriously need to grow up.
First of all, I am not religious. And religion is the biggest exploiter of people on the planet. But that's a whole other topic.