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You can find Justin's initial post here.

Incorrect; the hand that MOVES is holding the packet in Biddle Grip. The left hand, which cuts the two packets off of the bottom, stays STATIONARY.

No, "stationary" means it's not moving. Perhaps someone could post a quick video? I would do it myself, but I don't have a camera...

This has been discussed on several forums, and Garcia has maintained all along that his method is different enough to warrant considering it a different effect.

Thank you; you did the right, mature thing, and you should be commended for that. Thanks again.

Man, what is wrong with you? This performance is even WORSE than the first one! Please, show some respect for Lee and his work, and take the video down. You say you are mad at Lee for re-releasing an effect, and claiming a different title. Well, he created it, so he can do whatever he wants...

Fair enough. :D

If your understanding of "effect" is simply "how the trick works", then you are correct. You can learn that without the DVD. But my point is that an "effect" involves more than just the bare mechanics behind the trick.

What in the world does THAT mean? :eek:

4for4 for $5 is one of the best deals on this site. This is a move that you will get TONS of mileage out of. I've been thinking lately of ways it could be used in ace assembly effects. If you are looking to drop a 5 spot, get the 4for4!

You're assuming that an effect is all about the secret behind it, and as soon as you know the secret, then you can go out and perform the effect. That is the exact mindset of all of the kiddies on YouTube who are posting pathetic performances of tricks. There is MUCH more to an effect than...

The method in Kenner's book is not the same.

I stand corrected. You can actually learn the Elevator move in Zenneth Kok's DVD called The Zenneth Code. It can be purchased here.

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The short answer is "nowhere". You'll have to ask someone who knows it already to teach it to you. Although I should mention that P.K. Son's Deviant Drifter is very close to the Elevator in method, and if you were to learn the Deviant Drifter you could probably figure Elevator out on your own...

The method is not the same, as is noted in P.K. Son's video. And if you watch performances of both effects, you'll notice some differences.

You're still cutting two packets of cards off of the bottom of the deck, but instead of placing each packet then on top of the deck, you are actually swinging the rest of the deck out and underneath each packet as you hold it stationary in your left hand.

This is NOT the Escalator that E is selling; the method is completely different. I'm glad that others are seeing this video. I remember seeing it for the first time several months ago, and was just floored. Again, great job Jeff!

I would go with 4for4 and Subway. 4for4 is a great move that has a ton of applications, and Subway is a wonderful trick that contains several moves that you could also use in other effects. However, if Deja Vu is ever released as a 1 on 1, then that would definitely be my top choice; that...

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