Bringing It All Together

j.bayme

ceo / theory11
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Jul 23, 2007
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Guys,

One week and two days ago we launched theory11 with one goal in mind-- one objective: to take things to the next level. To bring the community together. To promote unity. To work together. The goals of this site extend much farther than products, which I think and hope most of you have seen in the past week with our extreme emphasis on community-- by way of the forum and media section-- with more artist interaction than any other forum, bar none. This is not going to stop. The alliance of artists behind theory11 are committed to working with our community-- you guys-- and being a part of it from now until forever.

We know that there's an extremely wide spectrum of members within this site-- from beginners that just started yesterday, all the way to some of you guys that have been kickin' ass and ruining the lives of innocent playing cards around the world for years. With this diversity of members comes great challenges. But I wanted to post here and let you guys know that we're aware of that challenge, and our entire team is committed to fulfilling it. Over the coming weeks, months, and years, you'll notice that we will continue to place great emphasis on the cardistry community within theory11, and on the product front, we've got tons of incredible flourishing releases already in the pipeline. Trilogy will be exclusively at theory11 starting October 15th, and you'll notice some killer 1-on-1 flourishing videos very soon. Some brand new stuff, from beginner to advanced.

The goal is to continue to grow and strengthen this community. For the first time, we've got performers of all styles, types, and ability levels together in one place. Yes, you've got your home within the Cardistry Forum, but we want everyone to be participating everywhere. We want all of our members engaged on the site on all levels. Over the past few months, we've worked with Dan and Dave, Chris Kenner, and Richard extremely closely, making sure that we keep you guys in mind at all times. We know that it's a big change to go from a small, focused community to an integral part of a more diverse site, and we know that it takes a little while to get used to. But our goal is that we all see the strength that comes with that unity. If we're all working together-- if we're all focused on advancing the art-- there's a lot more that can be done. As a small artform, this industry is much more powerful when united, not divided.

Not all of our artists agree on style and genres of magic. Wayne says potato, Dan and Dave say potahto. Seriously, Dan and Dave say "potahto." It's pretty weird. Probably a speech impediment. I digress. But we all do agree on one thing: we need to come together. We need to work together. We need to act as a unified industry to advance the art and improve its reputation and future. Through unity and by working together, we can challenge the ordinary and push the envelope. That's our goal, that's our intention, and that's what we've set in motion. It's exciting and it's energizing-- and we need you guys to be a part of it.

We'll continue to keep the Decknique forums open in the meantime; there's certainly no rush on that. But I wanted to give you guys the rationale and behind-the-scenes thinking behind what we've set out to accomplish. Join us.
 
Sep 1, 2007
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I am all for unity among the artists but I really would the like Decknique to stay up. Even if it was just the forum section and not the media part.
 
I am all for unity among the artists but I really would the like Decknique to stay up. Even if it was just the forum section and not the media part.

i agree with that .... maybe its the fact that i've been on Decknique since the first day it hit the Internet and have made lots of friends and acquaintances through it.

i think one of the reasons several ppl are turned off by the move from the forum on DN over to this one is the constant flood of useless topics that plague the forums... i can understand that this is a new forum and a lot of ppl are excited, but there are several posts on the same topics being created on a daily basis. and the useless/pointless topics overshadow the few good and informative ones. im not saying to completely censor all the forums but maybe adding a couple more mods that are online more often then others to sort out all the spam would help out everyone to feel more at home in this new place. i dont think im the only one here that gets tired of logging on and and seeing yet another post about how much the new effect on the market "Ownz" .. .when they could simply look for a topic that has already been made on the same thin and write their comment there. Another thought might be to put a couple of more rules that outline this type of behavior and make it so that all new members have to read and understand the rules before being granted access to the rest of the forums.

I remember being a member on an forum where, you would register and the only topic you could see was a sticky with the forum rules...you would have to read the rules and then post on it saying "i understand the rules" or something to that effect and then the rest of the the forums/topics would be accessible to them.

just my 2 cents
 
People stay at decknique because it is familiar, and there is no reason to leave. Until T11 can provide at least the level of services that Decknique did (Which is slowly happening) people are going to see no reason to leave.
 
Sep 2, 2007
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People stay at decknique because it is familiar, and there is no reason to leave. Until T11 can provide at least the level of services that Decknique did (Which is slowly happening) people are going to see no reason to leave.

More to the point, there aren't enough forum divisions and things for us to prefer T11.

You have just one big Cardistry forum. At decknique that is split into subforums.

Here at T11 it doesn't have that for any of the categories.


Think about the magic cafe, I like reading things there because its all so well ordered. Here its a just one massive list of topics. Thats not neat.
 
Sep 3, 2007
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i agree with that .... maybe its the fact that i've been on Decknique since the first day it hit the Internet and have made lots of friends and acquaintances through it.

i think one of the reasons several ppl are turned off by the move from the forum on DN over to this one is the constant flood of useless topics that plague the forums... i can understand that this is a new forum and a lot of ppl are excited, but there are several posts on the same topics being created on a daily basis. and the useless/pointless topics overshadow the few good and informative ones. im not saying to completely censor all the forums but maybe adding a couple more mods that are online more often then others to sort out all the spam would help out everyone to feel more at home in this new place. i dont think im the only one here that gets tired of logging on and and seeing yet another post about how much the new effect on the market "Ownz" .. .when they could simply look for a topic that has already been made on the same thin and write their comment there. Another thought might be to put a couple of more rules that outline this type of behavior and make it so that all new members have to read and understand the rules before being granted access to the rest of the forums.

I remember being a member on an forum where, you would register and the only topic you could see was a sticky with the forum rules...you would have to read the rules and then post on it saying "i understand the rules" or something to that effect and then the rest of the the forums/topics would be accessible to them.

just my 2 cents


Well said, pretty much how I feel too. Decknique although was ever growing with it's members seemed like more of a community. This commercialised "underground" site doesn't have the same sort of feel to it.

That said I'll still continue to use T11 and will have alot of fun here I'm sure.
 
Well Decknique has been absorbed, so I'm trying not to fight the change and try and find positives. We do need more divisions, such as a FAQ section for all the "What DVD should I buy first?" questions can go, then another for sharing videos and getting critiques (The media comments aren't that great for discussion) and maybe another for general Flourishing conversation about the latest releases or techniques or whatever. Just some ideas I guess. Even if it's just "Cardistry/Flourishing" on the main page, have subsections from there.
 

j.bayme

ceo / theory11
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Jul 23, 2007
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Guys,

We're on your side. There is no "decknique versus theory11." We are one and the same, and both decknique and theory11 have similar goals, intentions, and emphasis on community. Without a doubt, no one is going to force you to do anything. The goal here is to create unity, trust, and that sense of community. And we know that this, by its very nature, cannot be achieved through force, coercion, or some artificial deadline. We want to earn your trust through action, and all we ask is that you give us the chance to prove it.

We know that trust and community is something that must develop naturally and instinctively and organically, and we've read every single one of your posts on the topic. We want you guys to feel welcome within theory11, as cardistry is one of the most essential elements within our community. We've got so many products in the pipeline that were conceptualized with you guys in mind-- directly. But we know that the transition into the theory11 community is not something that happens overnight, and we know that this is not the only great place to learn and discuss magic, flourishing, and cardistry. But we intend to make it the best, and we intend to work as hard and creatively as possible in order to do so. In the meantime, the decknique forums will absolutely remain open.

The road to creating this unity will be full of challenges, and we know it's often difficult to co-exist in a community so diverse, with artists from all ends of the spectrum. But in the end, that's the beauty of it, as all of us-- even crazy identical twins that were born with Jerry's Nuggets in their wittle baby hands-- had to start somewhere. All of us WERE that beginner one day not too far in the past. With that diversity comes challenges such as this, but we intend to act in your best interest along the way. As our goal is to advance the art and challenge the ordinary, it's not an easy task. But we want to earn your respect, and we hope you'll stick around for the ride.
 
Well I hope this does evolve into a great community, I am trying to be as least resistant as possible (Made easier I'll admit by the fact I lurked at Decknique rather than actively participating) I did like the atmosphere at Decknique and hope it can be replicated here for all to enjoy. I hope to be part of the solution rather than the problem. I think we cardists complain and moan loud enough that T11 won't forget us, and if they do, they'll sure know about it :p Now it's just a matter of waiting for the goodies.
 
Aug 31, 2007
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Stay positive, guys.

I love Decknique's community, but I think we just need to stop thinking "Heck, I'll ignore T11 and stick to Decknique" and start thinking "Okay, let's see how we can make Decknique on T11 equally, if not more great than it ever was before."

Everyone, give ideas, and Mr Bayme, please listen to the Deckniquers. We cardists/card artists have things to say, so please heed our suggestions.

For example, since Decknique's coming into Theory 11, a mainly magic website, please give Decknique what it used to have (meaning, a larger cardistry portion on the forums). I'm a magician, but I know what cardists around here feel.

We aren't asking for too much, right?

- harapan. magic!
 
Sep 2, 2007
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i think it will work out but, people at decknique have a diffrent idea. This site isn't focussed enough on cardistry and to many people post to many threads on the forums, Otherwise I think it would be the perfect website.
 
Aug 31, 2007
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True, true.

For the site to be focused on cardistry, we need a larger demand from the pros in Decknique to request for it.

Yet it is the better people that have given up on T11 and left the forums.

You expect a change if you stand outside and watch the situation?

- harapan. magic!
 

Vinnie C.

cardistry moderator / t11
Aug 31, 2007
352
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Decknique must stay. We are going from a huge and cardistry oriented community to a single sub-forum on another website. While the treatment of cardistry has been kind, I do not think it is anywhere equal to what Decknique gave the cardists. This is not a shot at Theory11, I am just saying that it is hard to give the attention that Cardistry was getting when you are a half-magic site.

-Vince
 
Jul 23, 2007
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New York, NY
Decknique must stay. We are going from a huge and cardistry oriented community to a single sub-forum on another website. While the treatment of cardistry has been kind, I do not think it is anywhere equal to what Decknique gave the cardists. This is not a shot at Theory11, I am just saying that it is hard to give the attention that Cardistry was getting when you are a half-magic site.

-Vince
Again, I think the focus should be on improving theory11 for cardists rather than just simply reverting to Decknique.
 
Sep 4, 2007
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I really don't want to rain on any peace parades or anything.

But I'm really just not interested in a magic forum.

I'm not a magician.

Forums on websites are very interrelated. Things said on one topic get mentioned in other topics. Things said in one forum get mentioned in other forums.

I simply don't want to browse through 1000's of Magic post to stay current on the forums. That is a huge task.

I am interested in participating on a website devoted to what I do. Cardistry.

That is my preference. I don't have anything against magicians, but we all choose our freinds in life. We make choices everyday of who we will devote our time and attention to. And for the most part we all seek out those who have the same interests as we do. And that is what I would like to do.

If you merged Decknique into T11, then it really no longer suits my needs.

Don't get me wrong. I'll stop by every now and then and stay registered. I do that on the Magic Cafe. But it won't be an everyday thing.

My final thoughts are this: Where there is a demand, someone will always pop up with a supply. Richard met a budding demand with decknique. If you take it away, soon enough someone else will see the demand (obvious on this thread alone) and create another website for cardistry.

I'm also looking forward to De'vo renovation of HL. If he gets VBullentain and continues to maintain to peace, I think that could be a great site.

But I'm not really worried or stressing it. I know that Cardistry has really grown too big to be merged into a subcatagory of magic, so others will fill the void before long. :)
 
Aug 31, 2007
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.. I don't see why this is necessary.

Flourishing is something that evolves through 3 things. Watching people flourish, accomplished with the videos on decknique, actually doing it with other people, which is done online or through msn and waht-not, which I did with people on decknique, and sitting down and practicing..

We don't need a united website.. We got better through jamming with other people.

And in terms of advertising more and getting it out there.. I don't really care, its a unique hobby for those who pursue it, I don't think getting more people aware or doing it is something I want. I, along with many others, are very content.

If I want magic I'll go to the cafe, no offense to the people running this site, but there are a few hundred more people on that site with much more experience, they just aren't the popular guys cause they don't produce videos.

I say, have your forum, people will enjoy it, cool, but don't take away ours.

Cheers
 
Sep 1, 2007
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.. I don't see why this is necessary.

Flourishing is something that evolves through 3 things. Watching people flourish, accomplished with the videos on decknique, actually doing it with other people, which is done online or through msn and waht-not, which I did with people on decknique, and sitting down and practicing..

We don't need a united website.. We got better through jamming with other people.

And in terms of advertising more and getting it out there.. I don't really care, its a unique hobby for those who pursue it, I don't think getting more people aware or doing it is something I want. I, along with many others, are very content.

If I want magic I'll go to the cafe, no offense to the people running this site, but there are a few hundred more people on that site with much more experience, they just aren't the popular guys cause they don't produce videos.

I say, have your forum, people will enjoy it, cool, but don't fucking take away ours.

Cheers


Rock on Steven! I totally understand what you guys are trying to do. Everyday I went to Decknique, looking up on the latest posts and threads. It was my cardistry home. Sure I do magic more than cardistry but I prefer cardistry forums over magic forums. This place isn't the same. I met so many people that are now my friends such as Steven, Erik, Jonas, Abe, Allan etc. This isn't fair that you are taking away OUR forum. We live their. It is our home. My idea of magic is to further the community and not make 24.95 for an effect that only teaches you one effect. This was not my idea when Theory11 was advertised. Maybe some saw it coming, I sure didn't. With that said, I hope those that come here have fun, but I am not sure I want to partake in this site.

Cheers
 

j.bayme

ceo / theory11
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Jul 23, 2007
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Guys,

The Decknique forum isn't going anywhere. That's not a point of contention here. Don't worry. That's not on our agenda. We're not going to force anyone to do anything.

Our goal here is unity and to promote the advancement of the art through working together on all levels, across all genres of this artform. If you believe in our mission, intent, and objective, we need your help and we want to work with you to make it happen. Over the coming weeks and months you'll see the cardistry section within theory11 grow, and we've got some insane cardistry vids in the pipeline to keep things flowing.

If you don't dig our stuff, that's okay. We don't claim to have the answer to the universe, or any super powers (although CK does have a really cool Batman suit in his closet). But we do have a goal and a clear objective in mind. And we want you to be a part of it. Decknique's forum is open as always. We want the community to grow here, and for that to happen, we need your assistance in pushing the envelope and challenging the ordinary. The more we all work together, the better we will all become. We'd like you to be a part of it. If you dig it, join us. We'll continue to work as hard as possible to improve and grow the cardistry section of the site so that in time, we earn your respect through actions, not just words. All we ask is that you keep an open mind and give us the chance to do so.
 
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