You don't really understand the concept of debating, do you? Repeating yourself is not actually the same thing as proving what you're attempting to say. We're not the ones who've made the claim in dispute, you are. You say, "You can't be both a magician and a card cheat" and we say, "You're wrong." You are now obligated to prove your point, which you have not done at all. We have proved our point by giving examples of people who have done both, while you simply repeat what you said. Yes, the timing and approach for card cheating is different than that for magic performance, but the two skills compliment each other and there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from learning both. The skills required to get away with sleights for gambling will do quite well to get away with them for magic. If anything the cheat would have the advantage of already being conditioned to do moves at times when they are most likely to get away with them, rather than the average egotistical magician who wants to get away with difficult moves while someone is staring at their hands. Erdnase published his book on card cheating and card magic. He probably didn't make a living off magic, but he clearly performed card tricks for people and as I said, specifically references using a card manipulation technique to avoid trouble at a card game. Madison started as a card cheat, became a professional magician for some time (publishing what, 18 books on magic?) then shifted back to training people how to cheat. He got caught once, yes, but people get caught. Even the really great ones. Just like how professional magicians will occasionally bomb a gig. The difference being that bombing at the card table means broken bones and possible death. Unless you're only cheating at the table with friends for no real stakes. What I'd really like to see here is a response that doesn't consist of you just repeating what you've already said. Back up your statements. Show that you're actually listening and processing what's being said instead of being so pig headed you can't accept that you might be wrong.