My question is this: Where exactly do Harry Potter and White Wolf Studios succeed where you fail?
I always knew you were a Mulkavian.
My question is this: Where exactly do Harry Potter and White Wolf Studios succeed where you fail?
With movies, audiences know that it's all fake.
The director knows that people understand it's just a movie and it's not real.
Audiences just accept that.
But when an audience hears a magician saying what he's doing is all real and that he has powers, well they're gonna want to challenge him to see if he can really do real magic. They're skeptic, who wouldn't be?
It's exactly like what most magicians think of psychics, mediums, and all that garbage. We don't believe it, so we want to challenge them to see if they can really do what they say they do. (FAIL)
How can we be convincing like these books are, and make people want to believe in our magic so they will suspend their belief?
I really don't have a clue, you tell me.
A small remark, "I can read your mind, think of your card(FYI- if you ever say this line in your act, I will slap you)" by the magician and most of the time you get challenged to read another person's mind with no trick in the works.
Spec: "What am I thinking of now?"
So no, it doesn't have to go that far, just as soon as a spec hears something that seems impossible to do, you could be in for a rude awakening.
Alright, well I'm marking the "I can read your mind,think of your card" at the lowest end of the God-mage. That little comment is minuscule to what it can really be played up as or what else could be accomplished.
Plus, many laymen would expect a magician to know how to do a mind reading effect anyway and not consider it God-mage type. But, even so he would still get heckled/challenged.
Plus, many laymen would expect a magician to know how to do a mind reading effect anyway and not consider it God-mage type. But, even so he would still get heckled/challenged.
It's exactly like what most magicians think of psychics, mediums, and all that garbage. We don't believe it, so we want to challenge them to see if they can really do what they say they do. (FAIL)
Plus, many laymen would expect a magician to know how to do a mind reading effect anyway and not consider it God-mage type. But, even so he would still get heckled/challenged.
Magicians don't get mad at psychics because they present their acts as if they were real. Magicians get made because the psychic lives their claims 24-7 both on and off set.
So why aren't we shouting at the actors in a play?
You're actually going to use that as an argument?
Not really, just depends on how you do it. Take Richard Osterlinds Two in the Pocket or any of his effects where he has the BCS or Radar Deck. He doesn't get heckled for doing them. Because most of the time those are completely hands off. With the Radar Deck all you do is spread the cards and have 5-8 people think of a card and then when they do, you put the cards away and go on with the mind reading. The same can be said for his other effects with cards.
LMAO!I think you're the only one who's worried about the God-mage image (you need to stop watching Episodes of Mind Freak.)
Who say's you'd get heckled or challenged if you do the supernatural act? A lot of Mentalist's doe the supernatural aka Psychic type deal and most of them don't get heckled or challenged (that I know of.).
and yeah what Steerpike said. if that was the case, Mentalist wouldn't do any mind reading effects, they'd be too worried about being heckled and challenged. No matter what you do, you are going to get challenged every blue moon. Not everybody is going to do it. But it WILL happen. maybe once in a year or so.
The problem you and visual artist have is that you are not thinking like a Mentalist, you are thinking like a magician and magicians worry too much about being heckled or challenged. Mentalist don't really care if they get challenged or not. Because a good one, usually won't. (Mainly due to the fact that a lot of Mentalism requires getting rid of Magicians Guilt and developing a brass pair.)
Stereotype much?magicians worry too much about being heckled or challenged. Mentalist don't really care if they get challenged or not.
Because a good one, usually won't. (Mainly due to the fact that a lot of Mentalism requires getting rid of Magicians Guilt and developing a brass pair.)
All I'm saying was if you said only that line "I can read your mind,think of your card", you would get heckled.
You guys read a little too much into it.
William and Randy:
I was referring to the statement, "I can read your mind,think of your card", with no explanation other than that.
Not just any presentation that you may have for mind reading. If you present it right, then you shouldn't get heckled. If you do, well then you should brush up on your presentation and on audience management.
All I'm saying was if you said only that line "I can read your mind,think of your card", you would get heckled.
You guys read a little too much into it.
I may be new to these Forums, but if i can just try and inject a little sanity here.
Whatever your persona is, it's YOUR persona. It works for you? Fine. It's not wrong because there is no right or wrong if it works for you. Some people can carry off the ' i have supernatural powers ' act, and others can't. Live and let flourish.
It's nothing personal but I'm half tempted to take my camera and an index down t
o Hollywood blvd today or tomorrow and film 30 peoples reactions to this.
I'm willing to bet that I wouldn't get heckled, and I'll even use that quote word for word.
I'd like to introduce you to Richard Osterlind or anybody else who has done the Think of a card routine.
He's been heckled so much that he he gets hired by big companies to perform at trade shows, and other high end jobs. I mean people must heckle him so much that his career is pretty much nothing.
(Yeah that was sarcasim)
The whole, "everyone is different and everything is okay" argument is really the worst. Pretend for a second that we all know that basic bit of human nature and discuss what's at hand.
I do apologise. Please continue bickering like kids then.
Seriously? You have to ask?
Just did. Flat out saying you can read minds so blatantly is the same as watching Harry fly on a broom. They know it's fake.
You guys read a little too much into it.
Once again, not what I said. I didn't say mind reading in general will get heckled. I was talking about that exact comment. You guys are just arguing over nothing. Keep playing with the ball of yarn if you'd like.
Whatever your persona is, it's YOUR persona. It works for you? Fine. It's not wrong because there is no right or wrong if it works for you. Some people can carry off the ' i have supernatural powers ' act, and others can't. Live and let flourish.
If you don't, and think you're doing alright by yourself, more power to you, keep it up.
Ok, and that has to do with?The fact that's not entirely true aside, most people with an ounce of performing experience know that the say-it-then-do-it formula is generally bland and uninteresting anyway. And besides that, it's somewhat tangential to the point, relating only in that you failed to create suspension of disbelief by being a boring SOB.
Am I not?At least they are reading.
This is a forum, I can't hear anyone talk.In other words, you were talking just to hear yourself talk.