If we want to be king of the dorks, that's one thing. If we want to eventually sit at the table with the cool kids, maybe it's time to listen to the reviews from people in the industry.
People in the industry (my phrase) are different from industry insiders. Your phrase- with an entirely different connotation.
Nice try though.
Just because someone is the most famous of a group, that doesn't mean they still aren't a douchebag and fundamentally working to the detriment of the perception of that group.
Look at the reviews - not by magicians, but by people who are part of the entertainment industry as a whole. Look at what the satarists say.
Snookie from jersey shore is famous.
But, would it do anyone any good to want to be like her?
Some suggest we should emulate those who have become famous.
What part, exactly?
But to assume that simply because someone is famous makes them worthy of modeling ignores many salient points.
It also assumes that what they are doing is good.
That's what I mean when I say we should look to talented people in the entertainment industry. Why can they be humans and we can't - because magicians are copyists who will try to mimic the most famous regardless of what kind of douche they are? Maybe. Just spit ballin there.
So, steer. You say you see something else from the satirists ... What, exactly?
Agreed. That is just a college humour video and you can make fun of anyone. Check out their superman meets Batman videos. Hell, i'll make fun of Orlando Bloom all night, but that doesn't say anything huge about Hollywood actors or even him.
They probably came up with the title after the concept of the real world magicians teaching at hogwarts and what a silly situation that would be. And the title was an extra sting, for fun.
Its just to be funny. I don't think the people at college humour really sat down pouring over research into the current state of magic, to make a silly video.
alright guys. i think Raiker made it pretty clear this topic was to be dropped. i think its best to drop it.
Actually, I think both Brad and Steerpike are finally getting into some meaningful discussion.
The previous threads did not have that in part because of b_08's attitude (which was initially like that of a blind fanboy) and his general dismissal of all criticism as being fueled by hatred and jealousy.
Actually, I think both Brad and Steerpike are finally getting into some meaningful discussion. The previous threads did not have that in part because of b_08's attitude (which was initially like that of a blind fanboy) and his general dismissal of all criticism as being fueled by hatred and jealousy.
There were no problem with the thread or B_08´s attitude.
The problem were that almost no one understood him or choose to missunderstand him.
The thread was not about Criss Angel so there is no need to call him a fanboy. People made the thread about Criss Angel, not him. Its sad that no one could see that.
It seems like a lot of people dont like Steerspike because of his "attitude" but you know what? Welcome to the real world! When your grown up and out in the real world there will be lots of people who think you are wrong, dont agree with you and dont like you and they will tell you! Just learn how to handle it. We need more of that here.
1) None of you have a TV special or the level of fame and monetary success Criss has, so you can't criticize him at all (stated that way, the argument is nonsensical).
2) You guys are all haters STFU (ok he didn't say that but you get my point).
I love the art of magic and it is heart breaking to me that for a profession as old as ours, we are still kept as a side show. A big part of why Criss Angel is so famous, is that he has no other competition today. That's our fault.
I don't think too many people dislike Steerpike. He doesn't resort to ad hominem (at least I haven't noticed). He also tries to be logically consistent.
Rather unfair characterization. These are his own words from the start of his thread:
Hardly a fanboy statement, wouldn't you agree?