Because I shouldn't have to do all the talking. Or all the thinking for that matter.
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Why do laymen enjoy magic?
- Thread starter RDChopper
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Because I shouldn't have to do all the talking. Or all the thinking for that matter.
First off, this was the only episode of house I ever wanted to see and I liked it. (If it is the one I'm thinking of.). Is it the one where the guy has internal bleeding because of that thing. (Won't say anymore. For exposure reason. Exposing of his trick and the TV show.) And where he does a card through window?
But here are my real thoughts on the subject. Why do laymen/ laywomen/ lay people/ laybeasts/ layanimals/ laytrees/ etc, like magic. In the end it comes down to the fact that you are making something extrordinary happen liuve in front of them. <Most of the time they understand that it's a trick, but they stay amazed because of all the secracy involved. They become amazed at what you are doing behind the scenes.
"What the hell? My card came to the top. Thgere's a secret but I wonder how hard it is. Maybe he flicks it really fast and it jumps. I bet that's hard. Wow! almost impossible. It must take years to do! How else could he do it? Oh! he did it again, but face up this time, how did he do this one?"
They become focused on how you are accomplishing these amazinfg effects, not necessarily the trick itself. However, sometimes they do like the trick just because of its sheer impossibility.
But there are also people who beleive that you are doing real magic. Every day I am almost guarunteed the question: "So is it like fake, or real magic?" It amazes me that someone still beleieves in real magic, but that is good, it is what keeps the world turnijng. (I beleive in real magic. But that's for another time.) They become totally fixed on the effect and begin to breakdown because the trick is just so amazing. Their thoughts vary from the person who understands it is all a trick. I'll use the same scenario:
"Wait! What? My card just appeared on top. But it was in the middle. How does that even happen? It must be some sort of miracle. Maybe he is blessed with a power. What? He did it a second time, but face up? he obviously has to be some sort of superhuman because no one can do that. He's going to do it again. WHAT??? The whole deck dissapeared leaving him with my card? He must be a devil... get away from me Satan."
The mind levels of the different groups work on different people in other ways.People can become amazed by tricks or the mentality or the mechanics behind the effect. Whatever entices there mind in the proper way as to stimulate it. However, everyone is different and will be amazed in their own way. The two above are the most simple but then there are other catagories like the hecklers, the scientists, teachers, non beleievers, kids, etc. All of them have different ways of reacting, and every individual within the groupo has there own reaction.
But in the end, all of these groups, people, and reactions boil down to one common reason that these people are amazed. And that is this... They WANT TO BELIEVE...
Dylan P.
But here are my real thoughts on the subject. Why do laymen/ laywomen/ lay people/ laybeasts/ layanimals/ laytrees/ etc, like magic. In the end it comes down to the fact that you are making something extrordinary happen liuve in front of them. <Most of the time they understand that it's a trick, but they stay amazed because of all the secracy involved. They become amazed at what you are doing behind the scenes.
"What the hell? My card came to the top. Thgere's a secret but I wonder how hard it is. Maybe he flicks it really fast and it jumps. I bet that's hard. Wow! almost impossible. It must take years to do! How else could he do it? Oh! he did it again, but face up this time, how did he do this one?"
They become focused on how you are accomplishing these amazinfg effects, not necessarily the trick itself. However, sometimes they do like the trick just because of its sheer impossibility.
But there are also people who beleive that you are doing real magic. Every day I am almost guarunteed the question: "So is it like fake, or real magic?" It amazes me that someone still beleieves in real magic, but that is good, it is what keeps the world turnijng. (I beleive in real magic. But that's for another time.) They become totally fixed on the effect and begin to breakdown because the trick is just so amazing. Their thoughts vary from the person who understands it is all a trick. I'll use the same scenario:
"Wait! What? My card just appeared on top. But it was in the middle. How does that even happen? It must be some sort of miracle. Maybe he is blessed with a power. What? He did it a second time, but face up? he obviously has to be some sort of superhuman because no one can do that. He's going to do it again. WHAT??? The whole deck dissapeared leaving him with my card? He must be a devil... get away from me Satan."
The mind levels of the different groups work on different people in other ways.People can become amazed by tricks or the mentality or the mechanics behind the effect. Whatever entices there mind in the proper way as to stimulate it. However, everyone is different and will be amazed in their own way. The two above are the most simple but then there are other catagories like the hecklers, the scientists, teachers, non beleievers, kids, etc. All of them have different ways of reacting, and every individual within the groupo has there own reaction.
But in the end, all of these groups, people, and reactions boil down to one common reason that these people are amazed. And that is this... They WANT TO BELIEVE...
Dylan P.
... Didn't you just give a really long explanation of what I said up above? lmao Who cares, I like this post so much i'm gonna request your friendship damn it.
I've had the honor to guest teach for a day for psychology classes in my area. I demonstrate the idometer response system to start things off with. Sorry if I miss spelled that. I'm really sleepy. Judo tournament is in a few weeks. Anyways, I always discuss this very question. What everyone seems to agree on is this...
Children see almost everthing as magical. When you are young, the glass to boggle your mind is small. It doesn't take much to fill it up. When you get older, that glass is bigger. It takes more to fill it. And yes, I did just steal that from the movie "Dogma."
Empire makes a simple little thing that I use to go into the invisible deck trick. It's called the Disappearing Cards & Case. Go to a magic shop and have them do it for you. Remember the feeling you get when they do this simple thing. It's quick and simple. Purely elegant. That feeling you got when you saw "Santa" in the grocery store, is the feeling you get from seeing GOOD magic. That is why people enjoy magic. I notice the quick simple tricks usually pack the best punch. I love Mentalism. Mainly Derren Brown and Paul Vigil. But you can't beat something quick and simple. Magic brings you back to your childhood again. And lets face it...We all would love to be an innocent child on last time. So lets grant that wish to everyone we perform for.
Children see almost everthing as magical. When you are young, the glass to boggle your mind is small. It doesn't take much to fill it up. When you get older, that glass is bigger. It takes more to fill it. And yes, I did just steal that from the movie "Dogma."
Empire makes a simple little thing that I use to go into the invisible deck trick. It's called the Disappearing Cards & Case. Go to a magic shop and have them do it for you. Remember the feeling you get when they do this simple thing. It's quick and simple. Purely elegant. That feeling you got when you saw "Santa" in the grocery store, is the feeling you get from seeing GOOD magic. That is why people enjoy magic. I notice the quick simple tricks usually pack the best punch. I love Mentalism. Mainly Derren Brown and Paul Vigil. But you can't beat something quick and simple. Magic brings you back to your childhood again. And lets face it...We all would love to be an innocent child on last time. So lets grant that wish to everyone we perform for.
Don't feel like reading thru all the posts right yet, so I am gonna give my opinions on it and probably mirror some stuff already said.
It depends on the person really. Some like to be mystified by it all. Some like the feeling of total "Duuuh" they get form it... but on the flipside there are those that DON'T like it because they CAN'T wrap their heads around it and just won't watch it.
I think it's the same reason people go to haunted houses or watch wrestling. They know it's not real (Ok well some people don't know wrestling is staged but..) but like to play along and be part of something unique or perhaps be part of an experience. Something that creates a memory.... hopefully a good one.
It depends on the person really. Some like to be mystified by it all. Some like the feeling of total "Duuuh" they get form it... but on the flipside there are those that DON'T like it because they CAN'T wrap their heads around it and just won't watch it.
I think it's the same reason people go to haunted houses or watch wrestling. They know it's not real (Ok well some people don't know wrestling is staged but..) but like to play along and be part of something unique or perhaps be part of an experience. Something that creates a memory.... hopefully a good one.
As far as I can see, the performer gets to decide how their audience enjoys the magic. I've seen magicians produce a proper emotional reaction even from hardened sceptics, normally the ones who approach magic purely intellectually, as a puzzle to be solved. I think a weak presentation can still create enjoyable magic for laymen who like the challenge of working it out, or admire the display of skill.
At it's best, however, magical effects bypass the intellect and create a more visceral response. I don't really go along with Paul Harris's "return to childhood" idea, which would somehow suggest that magic, alone among the artforms, can tap into the infantile unconscious. I think the "Wow" response to magic is more akin to the reaction to a beautifully performed piece of theatre, or an emotionally engaging film. The experience is still coming from all the intellectual sophistication of an adult, but it provides the freedom to feel and express elements of the psyche without the risk of real life exposure.
The magician gives the laymen freedom to believe in and experience something of the supernatural in a controlled environment. After the shared moment of magic, they can go about their real-life, buttoning up their amazement back up into logic, science and convention.
At it's best, however, magical effects bypass the intellect and create a more visceral response. I don't really go along with Paul Harris's "return to childhood" idea, which would somehow suggest that magic, alone among the artforms, can tap into the infantile unconscious. I think the "Wow" response to magic is more akin to the reaction to a beautifully performed piece of theatre, or an emotionally engaging film. The experience is still coming from all the intellectual sophistication of an adult, but it provides the freedom to feel and express elements of the psyche without the risk of real life exposure.
The magician gives the laymen freedom to believe in and experience something of the supernatural in a controlled environment. After the shared moment of magic, they can go about their real-life, buttoning up their amazement back up into logic, science and convention.
Very well said, BTW yep tha'ts the episode im talking about.
don't you guys remember when we were laymen too? Well I sure do... haha I got fooled very badly.... but just before I started making assumptions or trying to figure out the trick... there was this small moment in wichI truly believed that there was magic just before my eyes, it was a very tiny moment, but it is as if you took a small trip out of your "normal" world, then after that short time of astonishment, well, you come back from your little "trip" back to reality and then you start to try to figure out the trick...
I think that that small moment right there is what pushes the laymen to try to see more of your magic(well It also depends on the performer, if the trick was perfomed poorly I dont think that there will no be a "trip at all)
That's where the responsability comes to us, we have the choice to try to be Brian Tudor and amase the people with our "skill" or we can take a good trick and routine and make that trick "ours" and take the laymen to a little trip out of their real world.
I think that that small space there is what makes the difference
Thank you for the kind words regarding my post. So, now that I have made my opinion does anyone want to debate it with me?