Takes two morons to tango, and I only see one. Besides, I at least am, for one, quite happy to defend someone I respect.
Im totally with you on this one. I honestly cant believe what some of these people are saying(not pointing fingers)
Takes two morons to tango, and I only see one. Besides, I at least am, for one, quite happy to defend someone I respect.
Yeah, like that Dai Vernon guy. How dare he release his material for money? And Theory11, what horrible tools. They should all be shot for releasing material to magicians. Sorry, that comes off as more sarcastic than I intend; I don't mean to be sarcastic towards you, and I don't mean any disrespect towards you, but I hope you can see my point here. I can see where you're coming from. But I just think that releasing something for money doesn't make people bad guys, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
If you create something and are proud of it, sure, you might share it with some close friends. But why not release it to make some money too? Just because one is releasing something for money, doesn't mean that the art has suddenly become about money - that for one would be ignoring the great professional career of Paul as a performer. Releasing something for money doesn't change that. In any case, what's wrong with wanting to make money? Business pervades every facet of life in some way. I think the important question is more, whether this routine is actually worth the money, which I can't say for sure, but judging from Paul's previous releases, I would be highly confident in saying yes anyway.
Every magician buys another's material at some point, and I would venture to say that surely you have too?
Another question: I don't know if you've ever been to an acting class or a painting class? What is that but artists charging money to teach other artists?
But you dont see any painters going and making DVDs teaching other painters how to paint their masterpieces.
These are two completely different types of art.
You cant expect to learn this stuff for free. For over a thousand years magicians have sold their secrets to others. You have to pay,to learn the secret.
Even then, paying to replicate the artists card trick or routine of sorts doesnt contribute to art in anyway. It may contribute to the professional, but not the art.
Takes two morons to tango, and I only see one. Besides, I at least am, for one, quite happy to defend someone I respect.
I'm a moron huh? You've made alot of accusations from an obscure point. You can't understand my post so I'll simplify it for so you can understand it. The qoute "Steve state's that"YOU CAN LITERALLY MAKE YOUR LIVING AND YOUR REPUTATION OFF HCE ALONE" Pretty much is saying exactly what I pointed in not so many words as being the best trick available. I was basically saying" If your gonna stand up for the guy then buy his trick". Plain and simply put for you but I didn't attack you or insult you but you plainly attacked and insulted me. So I have nothing else that needs to be said here but one thing. If your naive enough to spend that kind of money on a card trick then whatever else you have to say is mute and pointless. Vigil is a terrific artist I can't argue with you there but the simple fact is I'm not falling for the tasteless marketing schemes from one individual. Go and fetch doggie no more of this tit for tat. Did you hang on to those words good...choke on em.
So you arent going to respond except for the previous few posts...and now this one?
So I have nothing else that needs to be said here but one thing.
Takes two morons to tango, and I only see one. Besides, I at least am, for one, quite happy to defend someone I respect.
I personally think he's another scandelous idiot but thats me.
You obviously are not familiar with Paul or his work then.
Paul is a great guy and a great mind in magic. In my opinion he's one of the most talented performers/creators out there.
If you're curious about just who Paul is and what his standing in the magic community is, check this out.
Here's what Paul Harris had to say about Mr. Vigil: "If I had a gun to my head and had to do something completely 100% astonishing to save my life, I'd hire Paul to do it for me."
Very nice and giving guy, and very brilliant performer and creator.
But you dont see any painters going and making DVDs teaching other painters how to paint their masterpieces.
And magic is the only art where 'artists' are encouraged to take someone else's 'art' and try to pass it off to the public as their own.I respect and agree with what you are saying, i just despise the very idea of charging other magicians for magic. This is by far the only "art form" that makes money off fellow "artists".
And magic is the only art where 'artists' are encouraged to take someone else's 'art' and try to pass it off to the public as their own.
Never heard of a painter buying a Picasso, tracing the lines in blue, and trying to sell it in a gallery with their own name on it.
Paul created a solid, working routine which he uses to create moments of amazement for his audiences.
If you want to do the same - with his idea - you should pay him. You have no right to his idea and he deserves to be compensated for his work.
He is hardly 'marketing' it. It is available to those who want to avail themselves. If you want to, you know what you need to do. If you don't, what's the point complaining?
But whether it's a 20$ dvd or a 5,000$ script, if you want to benefit from someone else's creation, then you must do so on THEIR terms.
Sadly, with the sense of entitlement held by so many 'magicians' and the lack of respect for creators and their work, working performers have to be cautious of who sees their material - just go to the magic cafe where you will find hundreds of posts from 'magicians' who have seen someone's show and are now online fishing for methods so they can play 'monkey see' and try to pass someone else's art off as their own.
Paul did the right thing. He requires the student to be vetted, they must demonstrate a sincere commitment (at least financially) to protecting his work, and he has graciously chosen to allow others to benefit from his thought and effort.
Rather selfish to crticize him for caring and wanting to share something with his fellow performers while trying to protect the integrity of our field
How dare he!!!