Now that's a looong post. Please allow me to reply to all parts of the post I feel like it's necessary to reply to.
First of all your description on modern society amused me to no end. Out of all the technological advances our society has made over the last sentinel you chose tomatoes and cucumber are fruits…Furthering, you say this statement, "Why would we be so fascinated with something called the 'Classic Pass' and its classic handling?" WHAT??? Sure at first glance Classic may be a turn off to most beginner magicians who don't know their left foot from the right foot, but as they continue on their either long lived journey or very short lived journey through magic, they'll soon discover the classic pass and it's importance for card magicians. It is the foundation of most "Modern day" passes and should be learned and mastered before moving onto more advanced techniques.
You obviously took the statement on the modern society way too serious. It was meant for amusement purposes only so I guess you misunderstood as it indeed amused you and thus worked out well.
The technique behind the 'Classic Pass' may not be as advanced as a more practical pass, but it's definitely more difficult to master it and to perform well. As I said numerous times, a more practical pass is actually easier than the 'Classic Pass' its handlings. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think beginners should start off by learning easier magic and sleights before heading to more advanced ones. In this case, the 'Classic Pass' is the more advanced one.
As both you and I stated, the 'Classic Pass' indeed is the foundation of all the "Modern day" passes. But that doesn't mean that it's the most practical of all passes though. I bet that once someone has learned the easier, practical pass or even just some of its key techniques, they will only use the 'Classic Pass' and its handlings for finger training purposes. That is, if they didn't already fully mastered it and adjusted it to their own style like Toby here.
Nope I don't agree with this one either. First of all, what do you mean by "panoramic view towards our art."? Secondly, spectators aren't becoming more hand burners now a day, magicians are becoming in your face magic douches. Pardon my wording. Magicians (talking about most peer and beginner magicians and street magic special wannabes) have no idea how to properly present a magic trick. Instead they either passively or bluntly state with their body language and verbiage taunt spectators to try and figure out what the magician is doing. That is no bueno.
By 'panoramic view' I mean that spectators used to have more overview on magic performances. This is changing because magicians started to perform closer up, and also because spectators getting more aware and focussed. Yes, sure there are magicians that do not know how to present tricks, but that's not quite what I am talking about.
The shift as explained in the paragraphe above.
Close-up magicians can and do get away with performing the classic pass in it's classical handling still. I do it twice in an acr/card/deck to pocket and never been caught. Though admittedly I only perform it every so often since I now consider myself a hobbiest magician and magic enthusiast of 11+ years.
I never said magicians couldn't get away with it, but it just seems to be over the top to me. I myself got the 'Classic Pass' and its performance down to a level in which no spectator would be able to catch it. As soon as I started performing it, beginner magicians started to ask me for help. This is when I figured that the 'Classic Pass' wasn't quite as practical as it could've been, and that it involved a lot of unnecessary practicing to have it mastered. And thus, I started to get rid of all the errors to end up with a solid, practical, way-less-practice-and-speed-requiring pass. This has helped quite some beginners to make their pass performance-ready faster. Not to talk good on it, but just stating the truth and the reason for why I say what I say.
You know what the key difference between the two passes are? One was meant for stage, the other was meant for closeup. The Charlier pass is a one handed shift or cut and always was. To compare a utility move of the classic pass to a move that was originally meant to be covered by the turning of your back to the audience is silly. The classic pass is not a show off move, but a stealth move and shouldn't even be made aware of in a performing environment and has nothing to do with cardistry or flourishing! If that was the case I'd of submitted a video of me performing the many variation of passes I know, montaged together with dana hocking music going in the background to one of the SNC flourishing videos!
Okay, perhaps this wasn't the right example as the 'Charlier Pass' was indeed used as a flourish way back in the end of the 19th century already. I am pretty sure that Charlier didn't originally create the cut as a flourish though, but as a gambling sleight instead. If you would actually do it as an invisible sleight rather than as a visible cut, you will see that it could easily be used as a very practical, invisible sleight. Whenever I feel like it, I actually use it as an invisible pass which hasn't failed once.
Now this I really have to raise an eyebrow at. The fact that you may be coming out with another variation of pass as a means to make money makes you BIASED. You could be saying all of the above statements as a way to HYPE YOUR PRODUCT. You should understand my skepticism and why I am pushing my points.
Also what the **** is being exposed?????
I bet you my eyebrow raised more than yours when reading your assumptions. I did not come out with a variation on the 'Pass' for money, and there isn't even a whole lot of money in it. We will release it to those who want to be helped. As I'm a human being, I am bounded to restrictions. If I would've had all the time in the world, I would be continuously performing to keep away hunger or want, and teaching people for the appreciation and not for any money. I think you totally missed the "hook up with me on any instant messenger or on Tinychat" statement. Or you just don't know that those platforms are free to use and don't make me any money.
And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who sees the exposure. It's up to any individual to say whether it's appropriate or inappropriate exposure, but it is exposure nonetheless.
What can you use the pass for other then a card control. I don't mean as a "single card" control, but a control of cards or block of cards? Also I am beginning to believe you are not much older then me and i am 21 and still consider myself a "kid" compared to the humble elders of magic.
I am very sorry to see that you don't know other uses of a 'Pass' rather than it being a card control. I mentioned some of the uses (not quite all of them) in a previous post in this thread.
I am indeed not much older than you as I'm 21, and according to your profile you aren't even 21 yourself. No s***, Sherlock?
Once again you fail to realize that a side steal is much much much more invisible under fire instead of a pass. You want to know why? In a Side steal only one card or several cards are in motion instead of a block of cards. Why climb a mountain when you can just walk around it? Why move a massive amount of cards just to control one card? Don't please I beg you, don't pitch that the classic pass is meant to undo a fair cut, it isn't relevant to this conversation on the side steal vs pass.
You may as well just ignore the 'Pass' completely then and learn other sleights to do the same things. I'm pretty sure that a moment ago you said that you do the 'Classic Pass' yourself, but now you don't see any of its advantages? A 'Pass' has seriously so many more uses and advantages than you know about. Please let that be the last time that I have to say that in here.
Spectators over time have not changed at all. People say that modern people have changed from the people who were living in the 1800s. That isn't true at all. What were once called snake oil salesman are now called homeopathic doctors. We still have charlatans and psychics and people who continue to fall into their traps of false statements and fortune cookie explanations on life. YOU may say that our spectators are changing, what I say and have observed is nothing has changed at all.
In a single week, we take more information to ourselves than someone did in the Middle Ages in a whole life. May there be someday that you will actually understand what I am talking about.
The more I see Mark post, the more I realize he is pretty much just spouting off BS to over hype the pass and thus try to sell his "new and improved" variation on the sleight. Which is pretty much going to be extremely redundant and clumsy.
Ouch! Hahahaha!