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[praetoritevong]

agree 100%. my old middle school didnt allow cards but this one guy who is a wanna-be magician and me snuck cards in all the time. The wanna-be allways sat with us and he got caught but werent doing magic...we were playing black jack (me the dealer) I saw one of the lunch moderators comming I quickly set up the deck to deal 21 to all 4 players and she stopped and said "NO CARD GAMES!" then i said it aint a card game (deals 2 card to each player) snappes fingers then i said "know look everyone has 21!"...she didnt buy it...got a detension... know Im gonna be a freshman, you think what I just said is gonna stop me?...I think not! (plays heroic music)

^ to reinforce my point above. If you try to be cool, you won't be. Clearly that was about as heroic as Casey Donovan at an all you can eat buffet (for non-Aussies who don't know who that is, google image search her, but be prepared to cover your eyes).

If you need to do what you think is cool, it won't be. If you need to try, you've already missed the point. That's just being a tool. Which is only one letter away, cool, tool - but a world of difference in between.

 

[Andy.Boss.Glass]

Hmm what did they do to this country because I missed that. :[

So what your telling me is that you don't respect a single elder magician? You are right those older magicians have performed more than you have. They have dealt with the mistakes. All they are trying to do is help by not making the same mistakes they made. :]

no, what im saying is i respect those elder magicians that deserve it. Ones that ive seen perform, so that i KNOW that they are not full of bull hockey.

And you want to know what they did to this country? they made it seem as if they can take care of the worlds problems, yet they cant even destroy racism in america. They kept a tradition of a bull**** political system in which people vote based on race and religion rather than experience and knowledge. It wasnt the youth of the nation that did that, it was the adults. People are put in jails every day for stupid reasons, while the real criminals run loose, decaying our nation even further than it already is. Who did this? adults acting like children. Questionable books are banned and television and radio id censored everyday, why? because adults dont think its right for the youth to have both sides of the story.

Thats why age doesnt automatically earn respect with me, because age is but a number.

 

[praetoritevong]

I don't entirely disagree, but that's quite a simplification you've made there. Youth are just as responsible for racism as adults, for example, in my experience. Besides which, you make it sound like it's young against the old, and it really isn't. And regardless of who did what, an entire nation is responsible for its character, not merely one (admittedly large) group. You've also been incredibly general in talking about issues such as censorship and the decay of the country.

In any case, I'm not sure this is an appropriate discussion to be having here..

 

[Andy.Boss.Glass]

I don't entirely disagree, but that's quite a simplification you've made there. Youth are just as responsible for racism as adults, for example, in my experience. Besides which, you make it sound like it's young against the old, and it really isn't. And regardless of who did what, an entire nation is responsible for its character, not merely one (admittedly large) group. You've also been incredibly general in talking about issues such as censorship and the decay of the country.

In any case, I'm not sure this is an appropriate discussion to be having here..

No i know racism is because of youth too, but its because the youth are so impressionable, if the parents go around stereotyping blacks, asians, or jews, the kids are going to learn by example. I didnt mean to make it sound as such, because your right its not, its about how one nation has corrupted itself from within, all the while viewing itself as becoming better and stronger. Its adults that had this power and influence to do so.

If i were to go into detail about such topics, id be typing a while for pointless reasons on a thread about bringing cards to school or not.

 

[tokyoUW]

WOW Magicfreak667, I can't believe that every single university in America hasn't offered you a teaching position. Your understanding of how this world works is so perfect (and you know it of course), that it is truly the country's loss not having you teach everyone else your ideals.

You should stop going to school altogether. You obviously have nothing left to learn there of value and you would do a lot better in this world if you ignored any advice from people older than you.

I admire you for reaching this stage of pure awesomness



No but all kidding aside, please don't spit in my hamburgers when I come to order from your take out ... for the rest of your life.

 

[Andy.Boss.Glass]

WOW Magicfreak667, I can't believe that every single university in America hasn't offered you a teaching position. Your understanding of how this world works is so perfect (and you know it of course), that it is truly the country's loss not having you teach everyone else your ideals.

You should stop going to school altogether. You obviously have nothing left to learn there of value and you would do a lot better in this world if you ignored any advice from people older than you.

I admire you for reaching this stage of pure awesomness



No but all kidding aside, please don't spit in my hamburgers when I come to order from your take out ... for the rest of your life.

ok, that was most uncalled for, its only my opinion, you can agree or disagree, i dont much care, you dont live in america, you dont see what its like on a daily basis.

Thats not what im saying at all silly goose! Older people are smart and have things to offer, but many older people also dont know down from up. You can respect my opinion or dont, and i think one of the main reasons you dont is because im only sixteen, correct? My number of years on this earth has determined how intelligent i am? Of course ive got a lot to learn, but id like to learn for myself, rather than have some a**hole shove their opinion of the world down my throat.

You judging me only makes you more like them than you already are.

 

[Synth_Infusion]

Okkkk ....anyways before this thread gets closed.

To sum it all up, don't perform at school not worth the trouble. Focus on education!! Take advantage of performing outside of school.

-Rahat

 

[tokyoUW]

Actually no.

I have been living and TEACHING at a university in Tokyo for the last 4 1/2 years, but prior to, lived 22 years of my life in America. I know the education systems of both countries IN and OUT very well, and my highly agreed upon opinion (by both Japanese and other Americans), is that the American education system is quite amazing in comparison to a lot of other countries.

I had no idea you were only 16 years old. My judgements are completely based upon your posts and the idealogy you present in them.

"Old people just spoon feed you crap...." bla bla bla

"I dont care if I cuss or use foul langauge..." bla bla bla

"I dont care if you dont like my fou language..."

"break the school rules" bla bla bla

many more over the last few weeks.

Working hard in high school can earn you a free pass to this world. I have numerous friends who receieved full ride scholarships to amazing schools and who now have amazing careers doing the things they love: Graphic design, photography, dance, performing arts, interpretation, broadway choreography, to name a few.

To throw that opportunity away, or to even think that high school and adults have nothing to offer... is just ignorance.

 

[Andy.Boss.Glass]

Actually no.

I have been living and TEACHING at a university in Tokyo for the last 4 1/2 years, but prior to, lived 22 years of my life in America. I know the education systems of both countries IN and OUT very well, and my highly agreed upon opinion (by both Japanese and other Americans), is that the American education system is quite amazing in comparison to a lot of other countries.

I had no idea you were only 16 years old. My judgements are completely based upon your posts and the idealogy you present in them.

"Old people just spoon feed you crap...." bla bla bla

"I dont care if I cuss or use foul langauge..." bla bla bla

"I dont care if you dont like my fou language..."

"break the school rules" bla bla bla

many more over the last few weeks.

Working hard in high school can earn you a free pass to this world. I have numerous friends who receieved full ride scholarships to amazing schools and who now have amazing careers doing the things they love: Graphic design, photography, dance, performing arts, interpretation, broadway choreography, to name a few.

To throw that opportunity away, or to even think that high school and adults have nothing to offer... is just ignorance.

I never once said or even thought about saying high schools and adults have nothing to offer. Your right high school is good, a great thing in fact, but when you gum up the system with things such as that teach morals, and religion, without letting kids first decide what they think is right, do you think that is right?


I did not say old people just spoon feed crap, please sir get your facts straight before you record them. I said a lot of them dont let the youth get both sides of the story. but youll just bash me on that too, because no matter what i say, you wont respect my opinion, not because its wrong, but because its not what you and others believe.


Foul language is just language given a bad conotation over a period of time. How are using words not completely accepted by society yet used on almost daily basis wrong to say?

In comparsion? would it be fair to say that america's education system is one of the best of the worst?

im not judging you or disrespecting you, just pointing out my way on the world.

 

[magicianofseer]

Hmm yeah, I am sure that a few people of this forum, including myself, would rather you:
First of all, keep sensitive topics and your views on them to yourself, such as religion.
Second of all, foul language isn't foul because of the 4 letters and such, but because of what kind of message you are trying to convey towards another person by saying them. It's like summing up everything disgusting and vile, rude and hateful into a few words.
Third of all.... Sorry, but Shut the F up
This is a thread about cards at school, stick to the topic... You read WAY to much into things, and if you respected others more, you would be treated the same in return.

Cheers

 

[Donald C.]

Same thing happened to me except, now in the handbook it says no cards allowed except for donald [last name]. Which is kind of cool, but the reason they did this is because I do alot of things for the school in reguards of magic.

 

[praetoritevong]

Let's leave the social discussions there guys. Not worth it to argue about something like this on a forum.

 

[LBarnes]

Just use coins, rubber bands and other inanimate objects to create magic for your peers.

Lloyd

 

[Ozzyschach]

not when the american educational system is about putting facts inside of peoples heads, diverting them from actual thinking. Do anything that will actually make you think for yourself. If that means perform, then perform

The voice of reason. I actually asked the teacher once why don't we have free thinking, she said she didn't "understand" it.
And if you think differently get ready to be watched by the teachers (Me).
Yeah a teacher almost confiscated my EcoDeck.
I lost my Blue Rider Back ON THE LAST DAY, YOU WOULD THINK THEY LET UP!?
I'd say if it's too serious don't do it.
Especially in high school.

 

[Magicator]

I don't know about you guys, but I just sneak in the deck of cards. Even though IF I get caught, I've been performing card magic for students and teachers for about 6 years, middle school through high school. I wouldn't focus on your talents more than education, but you can do a little and still focus on your education.

 

[KeoSilver]

Okay for one thing I am ashamed that Americans are criticizing how things work when in fact that is what society wanted. We control the majority of the government by voting, it is our fault as a society to vote these dumb elders into a position of power. It isn't their fault its ours. Racism is going to be around forever and I have this one thing to say about that, get over it; its not going to end because this is a democracy and we have a great constitution and an entire section devoted to civil rights incidentally freedom of speech is in the first amendment right.

To reiterate I am ASHAMED that people are criticizing the nation on a magic forum if you don't like the country that is fine its called freedom of speech something other people in other countries don't have, so consider yourself lucky. I am pretty sure it is just inexperience so I am not holding it against anyone, just giving a stern talking is all.

Now moving on,
If you want to perform magic in school wouldn't it be more organic to perform effects that use office supplies? Pencil tricks, rubber bands, paper clips are all things that in my opinion will get better reactions then cards in this environment.

 

[Cedric Taylor]

Don't perform at school. Focus on your education. :]

he's right on the money, perform the magic you are comfortable with after school or at parties....

magic takes years to perfect....

let school come first and magic second...

just think by the time u finish school imagine how great your magic will be from waay back then...its well worth the wait...

 

[romeo sierra]

When I attended high school, absolutely everyone knew I performed magic. Everybody from the principal, to the security guards, straight down to the janitors. Seeing me with a deck of cards never set off any bells or whistles, because it was just generally accepted by all the authority figures. They accepted it because they were essentially the first ones I tried to win over. I targeted them during the day and at the first available opportunity, I did magic to get their attention. I'd get a crowd huddled over me during lunch and when security would check out the commotion, the other students would hype me up and get them interested. Then I'd perform for them and they'd continue to hype me up to their other friends on staff. And eventually the word would get passed throughout the student and faculty communities until I would actually be invited to perform during class! A teacher would say, "Sooo... I hear you're quite the magician?" I'd follow that cue to build the reputation. I was (no s***) called to the principal's office to do a card trick. Within two months of being a freshman in high school, I had students and faculty from every grade wanting to see me do card magic.

But, with that said...

The way I see it now-- cards don't belong in school anyway. If you think about it, they're really out of place in that environment. When I started working bars and nightclubs, I really learned a lot about the value of diversifying my material. Everyone likes a good card trick... but when that's all you do, it gets to be a boring act with senseless props. Cards typically don't make any sense outside of a casino, home game or gambling hall. Magic becomes more interesting when you're using relevant props. I wish I took that to heart while I was in high school. In a classroom or cafeteria, there so many everyday objects within an arms reach to perform some really amazing magic: pens, pencils, rubber bands, paperclips, spoons, straws, etc. If I knew now what I knew then, I'd be a straight-up magical badass in high school.

I really suggest you try putting the cards away and taking this opportunity to develop creatively. Diversify your repertoire. Every card magician gets asked the same question-- "So, do you do anything else besides cards?" That question alone shows a sense of immaturity and limited experience in what the magician performs. If you strive to create and perform effects using things common in the everyday setting, people will recognize and naturally respect your talent more. They won't need to ask you if you do anything else, because you can naturally perform magic with anything and everything. Strive to make your magic look and feel spontaneous and organic. It'll work wonders for you in the long run.

A few practical source recommendations:

• On the Spot DVD: Gregory Wilson
• Off the Cuff DVD: Gregory Wilson
• LifeSavers Book: Michael Weber
• The Daniel Garcia Project DVDs: Daniel Garcia
• True Astonishments: Paul Harris
• The Art of Astonishment Books: Paul Harris

A few pratical effect recommendations:

• Crazy Man's Handcuffs with Linked Finale (Michael Ammar)
• Watch Steal (Chappy Brazil)
• Gypsy Thread
• Torn and Restored Dollar
• Healed and Sealed (Anders Moden)
• Time is Money (Asi Wind)
• Impromptu Book Test
• Tagged (Rich Ferguson)
• No 2 Pencil (Mark Jenest)

If you have any other questions or comments and want to talk shop, don't hesitate to get at me. I'd love to help out more if necessary.

RS.

 

[RDChopper]

Hmm yeah, I am sure that a few people of this forum, including myself, would rather you:
First of all, keep sensitive topics and your views on them to yourself, such as religion.
Second of all, foul language isn't foul because of the 4 letters and such, but because of what kind of message you are trying to convey towards another person by saying them. It's like summing up everything disgusting and vile, rude and hateful into a few words.
Third of all.... Sorry, but Shut the F up
This is a thread about cards at school, stick to the topic... You read WAY to much into things, and if you respected others more, you would be treated the same in return.

Cheers

Ownaaaaggeeeee!!!

Okay, first of all (this is directed to the TC) you first need to know why do you are going to do magic for in the first place. It looks like you just want to use magic to denote yourself in your community, to gain attention and friends, and thats cool, I mean is bad at the beggining, but you have to start somewhere, I personally can say that doing magic is way more than that. I pretty much agree with everything that Praetoritevong said, you are doing magic for the wrong reasons, but with time you will learn that there is a lot more than just "getting friends and looking cool" with magic.

And about School, guys you seriously need to give each thing its time, really, doing magic and performing is great , but some of you guys are way to obsessed with it, seriously, take the school as a priority not as "another place where I can perform".