I've Hit A Crossroads With My Magic

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Magic is nearly everything for me. I'm a teenager and am really beginning to put some thought into my future. I really don't want to be stuck in a tiny cubicle punching numbers into a computer all day. I want to do something I really love like magic or guitar playing. I think the thing I have the most skill and passion in is magic. This seems like the best option for me however I have some questions.

How much does a career in magic actually pay for most people?

I'm beginning to feel quite discouraged. There are hundreds of thousands of magicians in the world the majority of them are probably more skilled or privileged than me. I live in the middle of Colorado and have NOTHING magic related at all in my area. I have no friends interested in magic. There are no magic shops, competitions, etc. in my area AT ALL. I can't go to any magic shows or try out for the Magic Castle or anything. I'm really starting to question choosing to focus on magic as my career.
Should I focus mainly on something more attainable and just sticks with magic for fun on the side? I mean would a career in magic even pay the bills?

I would give ANYTHING to be a famous magician but I don't want to shoot for the un-attainable. The odds of that happening seem to be very slim, however, because of all the others with more skill or privelages than me.

ANY input would be great.
Thanks,
Charlie
 
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Wow, you literally wrote the exact word for word problem I am facing! To be a performing magician, Armature- about $50 a show... Once you get some experience and get your name floating around out there, Expert- $300-$550 a show. And I'm talking about an hour to 2 hour show. just work on getting a stand up act together and start putting fliers and info out! You'll be surprised how fast your name will get out!
 
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Magic is nearly everything for me. I'm a teenager and am really beginning to put some thought into my future. I really don't want to be stuck in a tiny cubicle punching numbers into a computer all day. I want to do something I really love like magic or guitar playing. I think the thing I have the most skill and passion in is magic. This seems like the best option for me however I have some questions.

How much does a career in magic actually pay for most people?

I'm beginning to feel quite discouraged. There are hundreds of thousands of magicians in the world the majority of them are probably more skilled or privileged than me. I live in the middle of Colorado and have NOTHING magic related at all in my area. I have no friends interested in magic. There are no magic shops, competitions, etc. in my area AT ALL. I can't go to any magic shows or try out for the Magic Castle or anything. I'm really starting to question choosing to focus on magic as my career.
Should I focus mainly on something more attainable and just sticks with magic for fun on the side? I mean would a career in magic even pay the bills?

I would give ANYTHING to be a famous magician but I don't want to shoot for the un-attainable. The odds of that happening seem to be very slim, however, because of all the others with more skill or privelages than me.

ANY input would be great.
Thanks,
Charlie

dud im basicly going thru tha same thing life wise but im really not good at anything other then magic im trying out for that magic castle this year...ironically on my birthday but theres only one person around that enjoys to see my magic..and thats me idk if this helps or not but..i just wanted to trow something out and say i think all of us think about this eventually
 
May 3, 2008
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dud im basicly going thru tha same thing life wise but im really not good at anything other then magic im trying out for that magic castle this year...ironically on my birthday but theres only one person around that enjoys to see my magic..and thats me idk if this helps or not but..i just wanted to trow something out and say i think all of us think about this eventually
Yeah it does. Haha. It's nice to know there are others feeling the same way
 
Wow, you literally wrote the exact word for word problem I am facing! To be a performing magician, Armature- about $50 a show... Once you get some experience and get your name floating around out there, Expert- $300-$550 a show. And I'm talking about an hour to 2 hour show. just work on getting a stand up act together and start putting fliers and info out! You'll be surprised how fast your name will get out!

Sorry man, but you're way off. Most "experts" or professionals get several thousand for a show like that. A friend/mentor of mine gets over a grand to do close-up for a few hours.


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Expert- $300-$550 a show.

I won't speak of my friend's name, but a few weeks ago he did a gig for $500 per hour. He was supposed to stay for 2. He stayed for 4. He left with $2,000 in his pocket for 4 hours of work. So I wouldn't be so quick to say these things. :)

Anyway, living as a magician can be tough. Most will tell you that. Even so, I'd much rather be poor and do something that I love than do something I hate and be rich. One of my friend's has a friend (wow I hate chains...) that does nothing but live magic. He's a fully grown man and he lives his life poor because all he does is magic. All day. Every day. He's constantly working on new ideas.

Do what you love. Of course, priorities always have to be thought out. Having a home and family wouldn't be easy just as a magician. My current goal: Get a normal job and do magic as a side job.

Don't give up. Keep on learning and advancing. As Wayne loves to say on his daily updates, as long as you continue to move towards your goal and eliminate the things that take you furhter away from your goal, it is impossible for you not to reach your goal. It may take years. It won't happen over night, but you will get there.

You're only a failure if you quit. Don't quit if you don't have to. Also, getting an education never hurts. Going to college is always a great thing in case magic doesn't work out for you. Always have other options.

Learn how to market yourself.

Anyway, that's my cents.

-Doug
 
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Sorry man, but you're way off. Most "experts" or professionals get several thousand for a show like that. A friend/mentor of mine gets over a grand to do close-up for a few hours.


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Agreed.

It depends on your experience.

Even so, you must learn how to market yourself. You won't always have people running to get you as their magician. It's constant work and you have to be willing to put the dedication in. You don't get rich so easily by doing magic. Very hard.

-Doug
 
I think everyone hits that wall at some point in their life. Growing up we are told we can do anything and we believe it of course until reality slowly starts appearing. I think everyone who has a passion has to face whether it is going to support them and possibly your future family and other smaller ambitions(travel, volunteer work, religious missionary work etc.).

In the end, it is up to you to make it to where you want to. If you really want it, then you can not let things get in your way. All the people you see in the videos here on t11 or all the greats, was once a kid in their room playing with cards and eventually made the decision to say not just "This is what I want to do", but "This is what I am going to do".

I am facing it. I am thinking "When I move out do I want a 9-5-er or do I want to get up the guts to audition for my first resturaunt gig". I want to one day complete an endurance stunt, I have a ton of ideas, but I have lacked the initiative.

At some point I am confident you will know where you want to go. But if I have any real advice it is this; Be sure to decide, before time does it for you.
 
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Agreed.

It depends on your experience.

Even so, you must learn how to market yourself. You won't always have people running to get you as their magician. It's constant work and you have to be willing to put the dedication in. You don't get rich so easily by doing magic. Very hard.

-Doug

I guess that is just in my area. I guess it's cause I'm from a small town in Texas, not like New York or California...
 
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I guess that is just in my area. I guess it's cause I'm from a small town in Texas, not like New York or California...

Texas is actually a huge magic capital. TONS of magic in Texas.

-Doug
 
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Magic is nearly everything for me. I'm a teenager and am really beginning to put some thought into my future. I really don't want to be stuck in a tiny cubicle punching numbers into a computer all day. I want to do something I really love like magic or guitar playing. I think the thing I have the most skill and passion in is magic. This seems like the best option for me however I have some questions.

How much does a career in magic actually pay for most people?

I'm beginning to feel quite discouraged. There are hundreds of thousands of magicians in the world the majority of them are probably more skilled or privileged than me. I live in the middle of Colorado and have NOTHING magic related at all in my area. I have no friends interested in magic. There are no magic shops, competitions, etc. in my area AT ALL. I can't go to any magic shows or try out for the Magic Castle or anything. I'm really starting to question choosing to focus on magic as my career.
Should I focus mainly on something more attainable and just sticks with magic for fun on the side? I mean would a career in magic even pay the bills?

I would give ANYTHING to be a famous magician but I don't want to shoot for the un-attainable. The odds of that happening seem to be very slim, however, because of all the others with more skill or privelages than me.

ANY input would be great.
Thanks,
Charlie
Look at it from the bright side, Charlie. If there's nothing magic-related in your area, then that gives you a magic monopoly. If someone wants magic, you're the only option. I'd say invest in visiting magic places a little further away and reap the benefits.
 
Magic is nearly everything for me. I'm a teenager and am really beginning to put some thought into my future. I really don't want to be stuck in a tiny cubicle punching numbers into a computer all day. I want to do something I really love like magic or guitar playing. I think the thing I have the most skill and passion in is magic. This seems like the best option for me however I have some questions.

How much does a career in magic actually pay for most people?

I'm beginning to feel quite discouraged. There are hundreds of thousands of magicians in the world the majority of them are probably more skilled or privileged than me. I live in the middle of Colorado and have NOTHING magic related at all in my area. I have no friends interested in magic. There are no magic shops, competitions, etc. in my area AT ALL. I can't go to any magic shows or try out for the Magic Castle or anything. I'm really starting to question choosing to focus on magic as my career.
Should I focus mainly on something more attainable and just sticks with magic for fun on the side? I mean would a career in magic even pay the bills?

I would give ANYTHING to be a famous magician but I don't want to shoot for the un-attainable. The odds of that happening seem to be very slim, however, because of all the others with more skill or privelages than me.

ANY input would be great.
Thanks,
Charlie

If you have the will power to stand on your own two feet, the tenacity to take what is yours even if it is out of the hands of another magician, the will power to not back down when everyone else around you is sure of your failure, and the pure burning desire to succeed no mater what the personal sacrifice is then you should see your dreams come true.

Magic is entertainment. No one said the entertainment business is easy, quite the opposite. In our industry we have a bit of a joke term that we toss around called a "starving artist". Everyone knows what it means, sure everyone kind of chuckles at the notion of being one, but the connotations are very real.

But if you can hold to your dreams, and push to be better than you were the day before, then you have what it takes to make it. The rest is just formalities.

Here's my advice, plan to move to Los Angeles, Texas, Chicago, New York, or Las Vegas. Those are the hubs of the entertainment world, in specific magic.

Join the Academy of Magical Arts/ Magic Castle no matter the risk or cost, if not but for one year. Use this time to network, fine tune your act, and watch others work. The things you will learn there about magics history, how to perform, patter, scripting, magicians politics, the people, and access to their library is worth more than any formal education, and more than mere words can express.

Work a restaurant gig for at least one year. It will teach you much about patter and audience control, as well as how to read a spectator/mark.

Get used to working for little to no pay for the first how ever long it takes to start getting regular paying gigs. It's paying your dues, we all go through it.

Consider getting an agent or manager to market and book for you. Be prepared to change your agents and managers as much as diapers, and for the same reasons. Sooner or later you'll find one that works for you- Pardon my pun.

Consider the internet as a viable option to "fame" and "fortune", as much as TV or other popular media. It will be the new frontier of entertainment in the very near future. Mark my words the next Criss Angel or David Blaine will come from the internet before they come from the TV.

TV Shows, and specials are over rated. A standing theater, or any for that matter, gig is just as good if not better.

Join at the least ONE major magic society, be it the IBM, or the SAM. if you don't know what those mean, look it up.

Study the art of entertainment more than the art of misdirection. I know a hundred magicians who have more technical chops than half the working pro's but they are as entertaining to watch as paint drying. If you are good in magic you may work once or twice. If you are good in entertainment you'll never be out of work period.

Find someone who knows more about showbiz and magic than you do, stick a tap into their head and suck them dry for every scrap of knowledge they have. Figure out how you can apply that knowledge to your life, then own it. Live it. Don't be a clone of this person, but let their teachings guide you, and shine through you. Become yourself.

Find your own identity in magic. Market yourself as much if not more than your skills. It is better to be remembered for your individual than your skill. If someone remembers the kick rear card trick you did the other week but not your name, you'll never get called for a booking. If they remember you, the card tricks won't matter.

Develop your own unique performance "character".

Invest in a promotional kit. Invest in yourself.

When you are making 10 million a year at a casino in Vegas, don't assume you're either rich or famous. Only assume that you still have more to learn, achieve, and improve upon. Also be grateful for what you've achieved, never lose site of where you came from, but always keep a firm mind on the road before you.

DO NOT BECOME A FAN OF ANY WORKING PROFESSIONAL IN THIS INDUSTRY AT ALL COSTS! Admire them for their accomplishments, respect them for their work, but leave it at that. You're just as good as them. You're an equal. Get over the hero worship double time. If you don't, you'll never be taken seriously.

Never assume you have nothing to learn or improve upon. If you ever reach that state, retire.

Never turn your back to a magician unless you like the feeling of a knife wedged between your shoulder blades. Be nice to everyone, trust few, and always play your cards close to your chest. Magicians cheat, lie, steal and deny. It's the nature of our kind, and contrary to popular belief there is no honor among thieves.

Take the words and advice of any magician with a truck load of salt (Including my own.) No one has all the answers, and anyone that says they do is lying.

Learn your history. It will repeat itself, and it will pay to be ahead of the curve.

Have fun, and never let this become a job. Don't lose your passion, and don't give up on yourself, or your act. Remember you are in the public's eye while you are a magician, and thusly you are always an inspiration to someone. Don't shoulder that burden carelessly.

Good luck to you.
 
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first off: being the only magician in your area is GREAT for business. you are a UNIQUE oppurtunity. no one else can have a magician!

2: alot of people take up another job along with magic and over time quit thiewr other job as they start to get more gigs (Jean Eugene Robert-houdin did this)
 
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My advice to you, bearing in mind that you mentioned that you are a teenager, is to focus on your studies. Get a degree, but still pursue the art of magic. if i were in your shoes, i'd rather have a degree and then pursue magic rather than pursue magic overall.

Have a backup plan. Your passion will stay there forever, your education, especially when you are young is the most important thing. I sound really old when i say that, but im probably somewhat near your age. Im 18, Work in Starbucks and do a variety of hobbies including magic. I love my job, Love my hobbies, and i love my magic.

In life, you set your own limits. Sit back and think of how to overcome them. If magic is your passion, then so be it. You'll find a way. As Sin said earlier, its only a matter of time until you reach your goals. There is no such thing as going backwards in life.
 
Go to college!!!! i cant stress that enough!!! first, if you go and take a major like Business, that can help you with your magic!!! also if magic and or music doesnt work out, Heck you have a degree and can do something else!!!.
i go to college and i do magic on the side. during the summer i can devote my time to making money with magic and what not! you can also do TONS of magic at school! just around campus and at partys! which will help your magic abilities!!!

The chance that (dont take it personal) you'll make a living off of music is very very slim, so unless you are serious about music, you havta go out and do it! like move to lasvegas or Hollywood thats where you'll make it. same with magic if u want to do that kind of thing thats a great place to go.

But i very very much stress that you should go to college!!! now of days you kinda have to go if u want to have anychance on making a good living. unfourtunatly lol
 
like move to lasvegas or Hollywood thats where you'll make it. same with magic if u want to do that kind of thing thats a great place to go.







I couldn't disagree more. He should stay where he is at. Small place, no other magicians? Man practice and you got it made! Get 1 gig, do a party for a local company, then everyone will know you and whenever someone needs some entertainmenty, BAM you're there! Hand out some flyers try to get known.


I'm gonna take a page out of RDChopper's book. GO OUT AND PERFORM. Do some street magic (do it well and be lively and engaging) and then if people are like man that's cool, say Yeah thanks. By the way I was giving out information about me cause I'm starting to perform at parties, etc. Are you interested?
And I can almost gurantee that you will get a gig if not multiple gigs in the nex year.


But to do this, you have to practice alot. And not just technique, you really have to focus on engaging and relating to your audience as well as the presentation of your magic- How to misdirect, staying calm in large groups and the thing that plagues most magicians today, PATTER.


This is why street magic will really help you. But, either way, get an education and a regular job and then chase your dreams.

-Dan
 
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Texas is actually a huge magic capital. TONS of magic in Texas.

-Doug

Really? I live in Austin and there's the only thing I've heard of is a Magic show at ACL fest. No magic shops or anything to my knowledge... of course, Texas is a big place, so the magic must be elsewhere.

I almost think William Draven's post should be a sticky :D In fact, all the info in this thread is useful!
 
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