First of all i should say that i am always thinking about magic and what is effective, what is good, what is bad etc. And my views change every now and then. So i will never say something is this way or that way. I just give my current opinion. So feel free to disagree with anything and/or everthing. You won't hurt my feelings.
Actually the reason i'm posting this is because i'm really not sure how i feel about it and i want your opinions.
The title doesn't perfectly illustrate what i mean (in fact you probably think it means something completely different) so i'm going to give you an example of exactly what i mean now:
If i was going to really transfer a coin from one hand to the other (not in a magic sense but in an everyday "i need this coin in my other hand" sense) i would pay just about 0 attention to the action. I would probably be holding in one hand and grab it with the other hand without really thinking much about it at all. I might toss it into my other hand if i was putting it into my pocket or something. BUT i certainly would not do anything that looked like a retention pass.
Just imagine, i'm buying a burrito and the burrito guy (for lack of a better term) hands me a quarter in return. I take it from him with my right hand at which point i draw attention to my left hand and open my left hand and slowly place the coin into my fist which i then close and put in my pocket.
Is it just me or would that look very strange? (well that is essentially what a retention pass looks like)
ON THE OTHER HAND. The retention pass can look VERY GOOD. At least in the sense that it really does look like the coin goes into your other hand.
ON THE OTHER HAND (that's three hands for those of you counting) if i was going to make the coin vanish right after placing it into my hand (and i would argue that i/you/anyone would make it vanish right after a retention pass, or why else would i be drawing so much attetion to it) then wouldn't it be more natural to not have transfered it at all and to rather have just openly closed our hand around it? Now i realize that you can use you're good 'ol motivation stick (i.e. wand) or roll up your sleeves, or some other suitable action, while transfering the coin to motivate it but then why draw attention to the transfer? (as in the retention pass)
Alright, so if you're not as thoroghly confused as i am by now i'd like to know your opinion. Keep in mind that this was the only example i could think of and is not meant to be a disscusion on "retention vanish vs. more natural false transfer". I don't know if there are any other similar scenarios to talk about (with cards perhaps?) but if you can think of any others please bring them up because otherwise this will just be a disscusion of wheter or not a retention vanish is actually good magic.
P.S.
(you may have noticed that i use parenthases a lot. thats because when i'm writing i have a lot of asides and thats an easy way to slip them in. if it bugs you i'm sorry)
Actually the reason i'm posting this is because i'm really not sure how i feel about it and i want your opinions.
The title doesn't perfectly illustrate what i mean (in fact you probably think it means something completely different) so i'm going to give you an example of exactly what i mean now:
If i was going to really transfer a coin from one hand to the other (not in a magic sense but in an everyday "i need this coin in my other hand" sense) i would pay just about 0 attention to the action. I would probably be holding in one hand and grab it with the other hand without really thinking much about it at all. I might toss it into my other hand if i was putting it into my pocket or something. BUT i certainly would not do anything that looked like a retention pass.
Just imagine, i'm buying a burrito and the burrito guy (for lack of a better term) hands me a quarter in return. I take it from him with my right hand at which point i draw attention to my left hand and open my left hand and slowly place the coin into my fist which i then close and put in my pocket.
Is it just me or would that look very strange? (well that is essentially what a retention pass looks like)
ON THE OTHER HAND. The retention pass can look VERY GOOD. At least in the sense that it really does look like the coin goes into your other hand.
ON THE OTHER HAND (that's three hands for those of you counting) if i was going to make the coin vanish right after placing it into my hand (and i would argue that i/you/anyone would make it vanish right after a retention pass, or why else would i be drawing so much attetion to it) then wouldn't it be more natural to not have transfered it at all and to rather have just openly closed our hand around it? Now i realize that you can use you're good 'ol motivation stick (i.e. wand) or roll up your sleeves, or some other suitable action, while transfering the coin to motivate it but then why draw attention to the transfer? (as in the retention pass)
Alright, so if you're not as thoroghly confused as i am by now i'd like to know your opinion. Keep in mind that this was the only example i could think of and is not meant to be a disscusion on "retention vanish vs. more natural false transfer". I don't know if there are any other similar scenarios to talk about (with cards perhaps?) but if you can think of any others please bring them up because otherwise this will just be a disscusion of wheter or not a retention vanish is actually good magic.
P.S.
(you may have noticed that i use parenthases a lot. thats because when i'm writing i have a lot of asides and thats an easy way to slip them in. if it bugs you i'm sorry)