Allrite, I just wanted to discuss what I believe to be an extremely controversial topic. Stealing magic effects and concepts, and selling them as your own. Take this case for example. Lets assume I invented a completely original effect. I publish it. Then, someone else takes my effect and publishes it under his name. Then, another magician publishes it under his name. So, so far two magicians have stolen my idea. But here is the question: Was the third guy guilty of stealing an idea from me AND the second guy? Or only me? Also, consider the following: Maybe the second guy wasnt aware that the effect was already published, and came up with it by himself. Should he take it off the market? Or is he entitled to keep on the market, for all practical purposes, his own effect? I just want to hear some of your thoughts on the issue.