Is it possible to be proficient with both card and hypnotism?

Feb 9, 2009
133
0
Reno, NV
I guess you can consider me as a newbie magician, but I'm into card magic right now and practice things everyday(I've been practicing the classic pass for about 2 months now).

However, I suddenly became interested with hypnotism. I'm wondering if I can be proficient with both. And what's the main different between hypnotism and mentalism?
As I've seen it, mentalism is more of a direct mind "guessing" than taking control, but couldn't they work together in a way?

And can anyone name some books/videos of how to perform for people?
Like, right now, I can't just go up to any random people in the mall and ask them if they wanna see magic, I'm a really shy person..
The things I do currently are for people that I have a relation to, I mean, they still get amazed by some stuff that I do. XD
 
Jun 13, 2008
149
0
37
Tacoma, WA
Yes, you can be proficient at both. That doesn't necessarily mean you will be proficient at both, though. Magic and hypnotism are two completely different categories. Try it out and see if you like it.
 
Jan 9, 2008
226
0
Sacramento
Of course you can!
I am accomplished at both, they aren't like opposing forces or anything haha

Mentalism and Hypnotism are completely different. Mentalism is the act of apparently reading people's minds/ knowing things impossible to know, whereas hypnotism is putting the spectator into a trancelike state where they are willing to do silly things that are entertaining to audiences. I'm not sure how hypnotism and mentalism could work together, though, as magic and hypnotism fall into different performance categories... But, with psychological tricks, NLP, and techniques to gain comfort with your spectators, can be used in magic.

some hypnosis "instant induction" techniques can be used in magic, but if you are talking about hypnosis as in stage shows, mentalism and hypnosis seem to be hard to combine

any questions about hypnosis sources, feel free to pm me!

kevin
 
Aug 23, 2008
17
0
If you get real good in hypnotism and mentalism, you can incorporate mentalism routines into your hypnosis act. For example, a really basic and easy thing that you can do is have a bunch of people under a trance, then you would force a couple of cards on some of your subjects, and you will attempt to read their mind and tell them what their card is. You would suggest them to fall instantly back into a deep sleep as soon as u name their card.
 
Jan 9, 2008
226
0
Sacramento
If you get real good in hypnotism and mentalism, you can incorporate mentalism routines into your hypnosis act. For example, a really basic and easy thing that you can do is have a bunch of people under a trance, then you would force a couple of cards on some of your subjects, and you will attempt to read their mind and tell them what their card is. You would suggest them to fall instantly back into a deep sleep as soon as u name their card.

Hah! nice I hadn't thought of that good one! that would be a cool and visual way to show the audience that you found their cards!

kudos
kevin
 
Jan 18, 2009
146
1
A fairly simple mentalism plot that includes hypnosis is backwards mind reading. I never knew about it until Anthony Jaquin made a suggestion and it works quite well. The whole point is to get them to think of a number while in a trance and to make them think that is their favorite number and they could never forget it. Take them out of trance and ask them to think of any number in the world, and if done correctly then boom you read their mind.
 
I guess you can consider me as a newbie magician, but I'm into card magic right now and practice things everyday(I've been practicing the classic pass for about 2 months now).

However, I suddenly became interested with hypnotism. I'm wondering if I can be proficient with both. And what's the main different between hypnotism and mentalism?
As I've seen it, mentalism is more of a direct mind "guessing" than taking control, but couldn't they work together in a way?

And can anyone name some books/videos of how to perform for people?
Like, right now, I can't just go up to any random people in the mall and ask them if they wanna see magic, I'm a really shy person..
The things I do currently are for people that I have a relation to, I mean, they still get amazed by some stuff that I do. XD

I'm sorry I didn't get to this post sooner but I'd be glad to help with your questions.

First off, to answer the main question, yes you can be proficient in both cards or slights of hand and hypnotism. However, the two acts don't mesh with each other so you would end up having two very, very diffrent shows. Both in presentation, psychology, and execution.

The diffrence between a Hypnotist and a Mentalist is psudo-science. A Hypnotist is an actual licensed college course quality therapist. You can put that on a resume and get higher pay grades because it's acredited. A mentalist is complete bunk. I say psudo-science because argueably the Hypnotist is complete bunk too acording to some people like Penn Jillette.

Both the Hypnotist and the Mentalist present their acts as genuine displays of mind over what ever. The Hypnotist uses suggestions to the subconscience mind that helps influence the person to act or behave in a certain way. Their shows are usually longer than a mentalist, and require a bit more pre-talk to set up. The mentalist performs miracles of the mind that usually involve aspects of ESP such as Telepathy, Thought Transfer, Telekenises, Mind Reading, Spoon or Fork bending, ETC.

Mentalism and Hypnotism can work together, kind of. They are both certainly in the same theme. I perform with a production called the "Mind Show" which displays the four pillars of mental magic; Thought Transfer, Mind over Mater, Hypnotism, and Mentalism. The one thing I've learned from doing the show is the Hypnotist (to do it right) needs twice as long as a mentalist to set up and deliver his act. Our Hypnotist usually runs a set anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour and half depending on the crowed, where as the rest of the three acts are on and off the stage in under 30 minutes respectively.

There are a lot of books out there devoted to both Mentalism and Hypnotism. You could try Corinda's 13 steps to Mentalism book for starters. It's a good read, and covers just about all the basics and then some. For Hypnotism I really don't know. I don't play with that a lot. yet. I would almost recomend going to your local comunity college and seeing if they offer a course in it. There are a LOT of "do it yourself at home and for CHEAP!" cd's, dvd's, and books out on the market. Chances are they aren't worth the money. Invest in a local class. I'm not sure, I'm just guessing but you could probably pick up a certification for under two grand. Trust me; "Licensed" anything sells better than some guy with an act.

Hope that helps!
 
Sep 1, 2007
3,786
15
I say psudo-science because argueably the Hypnotist is complete bunk too acording to some people like Penn Jillette.

No, the assertion was that hypnotism is legit, but the claims that it can do things like cause past-life regressions, reverse the process of male pattern baldness, or increase a woman's bust size are a complete scam.

For Hypnotism I really don't know. I don't play with that a lot. yet. I would almost recomend going to your local comunity college and seeing if they offer a course in it. There are a LOT of "do it yourself at home and for CHEAP!" cd's, dvd's, and books out on the market. Chances are they aren't worth the money. Invest in a local class.

Save yourself the money and realize there's a difference between stage hypnosis as entertainment and licensed hypnotherapy.

If you want to be a hypnotherapist, inducing a trance is the least of the work you'll need to do. There are extensive psychological courses you'll need to take first. Otherwise you're just a quack.

If you want to learn stage hypnosis, get yourself a copy of Ormond McGill's The Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism.
 
No, the assertion was that hypnotism is legit, but the claims that it can do things like cause past-life regressions, reverse the process of male pattern baldness, or increase a woman's bust size are a complete scam.

While I agree with you there, I will tell you as I sit here that there are others who would argue even you into the ground on that. I feel that I should have represented as many possible opinions in my post so that he had a good foundation to go on. Fact is some people (like Penn) think that Hypnotism in any form is complete hogwash.
 
Sep 1, 2007
3,786
15
While I agree with you there, I will tell you as I sit here that there are others who would argue even you into the ground on that.

Most of whom want your money.

I feel that I should have represented as many possible opinions in my post so that he had a good foundation to go on. Fact is some people (like Penn) think that Hypnotism in any form is complete hogwash.

I don't believe I have ever heard Penn question the practice of hypnotism itself. It's fairly widely accepted in the psychiatric community as a legit tool for therapy. It's just that actual hypnotherapy is nothing like what Hollywood thinks it is.

Trust me on this one. I'm a relative newcomer to stage hypnosis, however I've been studying the history of hypnotherapy out of my own personal curiosities for the better part of 10 years.
 
Jan 18, 2009
146
1
Yes and no steerpike. The majority would rather learn from a video rather than a book. Although part of the reason is that people have never heard of some of these books, I do hypnosis myself and not delved into that book at all. Maybe some laziness involved from lack of research.

Edit: Also, the show Penn and Teller broadcast Bulls##t is their views on hypnosis and apparently they don't believe in it at all.
 
Sep 1, 2007
3,786
15
It's something I just can't wrap my mind around. I'm not happy unless I have a work of fiction for night reading and a work of non-fiction for the day.
 
Sep 1, 2007
3,786
15
Dresden Files book 7: Dead Beat by Jim Butcher and Influence by Robert B Cialdini currently sitting on my end table. Next up is the remaining three novels in the Dresden Files series along with The Nymphos of Rocky Flats and for non-fiction, I have a biography of Charles Fort by Jim Steinmeyer, The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell, and The Encyclopedia of Palmistry.

And there's still another five pages cued up on my Amazon dot com wishlist. That's not even counting all the magic books I still am saving up for (damn bizarre magic being so expensive!). It boggles the mind that we live in the age of information and people are actually becoming less and less literate.
 
Jan 9, 2008
226
0
Sacramento
I really want to pick up Ormond McGill's book, I have been looking at it for a while but am too busy (college student) to actually learn anything from it... I'll pick it up eventually.

I suggest Dilt's Strategies of Genius
 
Sep 2, 2007
1,186
16
42
London
I suggest Dilt's Strategies of Genius

I haven't read that particular book, but I would suggest being careful about Dilts' evangelical worship at the altar of NLP...it's not all he cracks it up to be.

And, on your point Steerpike, that is exactly what the age of information is all about, it's a doublespeak term. We are witnessing the creation of a Brave New World-style intellectual divide, in which knowledge and rationality is considered almost offensive and quasi-pornographic. The book is on it's way out to be replaced by some kind of Nintendo skippable-playlist-type presentation of knowledge which will leave the impression of having got the full picture but having in fact delivered a byte-sized, liquidised version.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Searching...
{[{ searchResultsCount }]} Results