Does Coin Magic...
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I agree about "the personal safe"
Sorry Mr. Garcia, but backtracking seems a bit obvious... and i'm sure both the performer and the magician feel a bit uncomfortable the moment after the phrase "can i borrow your ring" is said.
... BUT, if you can whip it into some wacky storyline about how people steal money from cash registers while clerks are distracted, you may have a succesful routine!
Shane... do you judge the effectiveness of a routine by how loudly the spectators react? Because that's not how i would judge routines...
Sorry Mr. Garcia, but backtracking seems a bit obvious... and i'm sure both the performer and the magician feel a bit uncomfortable the moment after the phrase "can i borrow your ring" is said.
... BUT, if you can whip it into some wacky storyline about how people steal money from cash registers while clerks are distracted, you may have a succesful routine!
Shane... do you judge the effectiveness of a routine by how loudly the spectators react? Because that's not how i would judge routines...
it has to be a "Need" to be met.
it cant be a routine that before you start you hear a friend whisper "Watch this"
could you go through someones book bag or purse with out them knowing before you get strange on them? how else would i know if they're going to be hungry for a ham sandwich unless i steal their lunch first?
to rip and restore a bill is one thing but to go into someones wallet and half rip a bill in their own wallet then ask "Dose anybody want something from the store?" and hope they say yes then hope they reach for that half riped bill. then you have the beginning of a miracle.
I can not for the life of me think of a coin efect that can be done along this thinking path......but im still thinking.
it cant be a routine that before you start you hear a friend whisper "Watch this"
could you go through someones book bag or purse with out them knowing before you get strange on them? how else would i know if they're going to be hungry for a ham sandwich unless i steal their lunch first?
to rip and restore a bill is one thing but to go into someones wallet and half rip a bill in their own wallet then ask "Dose anybody want something from the store?" and hope they say yes then hope they reach for that half riped bill. then you have the beginning of a miracle.
I can not for the life of me think of a coin efect that can be done along this thinking path......but im still thinking.
OK I read and understood your reply to my post and I first want to say I didn't argue your point due to the fact that Im not here to bicker and fight about your opinion and set of views on coin magic but I was merely stating my opinion to the discussion in hand.
While I respect your response I think you may have misunderstood my approach to you and Ill clear that up a little. I didnt mean to sound as if I was talking down to you or your not sufficient in coin mechanics but I was speaking of your response to coin magic not having the ability to be a stand alone effect and have the same capabilities as card magic when speaking of an entertainment sense.
Yes, you can to a degree measure your success as a performer to the type of reactions you get from your audience and to think otherwise is just ignorant. But saying that I dont measure myself on how good I am as a performer by that either. I measure the effectiveness of my routines by my delivery and thats what I meant by that statement.
I understand your fustration with having to explain yourself over and over especially to someone who hasnt read through the complete thread but in my defense I was at work and I didnt have the time I would have liked to have read each response. I can feel you on some of the things youve last said. and I would be interested in some of that material your speaking of but never the less the material I use with coins range from several sources and the effects I named are just some of my favorite effects but neverless that doesnt measure my knowledge into coin magic either. I say put your money where your mouth is and forget about bickering about nonsense and perform. Too much time is spent sometimes picking every little thing apart in magic instead of just letting it be get out there and make it awesome. This is in no way trying to insult you or belittle you. I believe the effectiveness of magic lies within us and not the props where using this is my opinion. You can try and pick me apart but Im not biting Ive stated my view and Im willing to look at some of that material if you so choose to PM me with them.
Peace,
Shane
While I respect your response I think you may have misunderstood my approach to you and Ill clear that up a little. I didnt mean to sound as if I was talking down to you or your not sufficient in coin mechanics but I was speaking of your response to coin magic not having the ability to be a stand alone effect and have the same capabilities as card magic when speaking of an entertainment sense.
Yes, you can to a degree measure your success as a performer to the type of reactions you get from your audience and to think otherwise is just ignorant. But saying that I dont measure myself on how good I am as a performer by that either. I measure the effectiveness of my routines by my delivery and thats what I meant by that statement.
I understand your fustration with having to explain yourself over and over especially to someone who hasnt read through the complete thread but in my defense I was at work and I didnt have the time I would have liked to have read each response. I can feel you on some of the things youve last said. and I would be interested in some of that material your speaking of but never the less the material I use with coins range from several sources and the effects I named are just some of my favorite effects but neverless that doesnt measure my knowledge into coin magic either. I say put your money where your mouth is and forget about bickering about nonsense and perform. Too much time is spent sometimes picking every little thing apart in magic instead of just letting it be get out there and make it awesome. This is in no way trying to insult you or belittle you. I believe the effectiveness of magic lies within us and not the props where using this is my opinion. You can try and pick me apart but Im not biting Ive stated my view and Im willing to look at some of that material if you so choose to PM me with them.
Peace,
Shane
When i was a kid my uncle use to spellbound a tooth into a coin "tooth fairy" style. but for table hopping and at my age (37) thats just gross.
A coin collector (a numismatist) always have a coin in a neat Little plastic case.....thats as far as i got with that one but i like the path that thinkings going.
A coin collector (a numismatist) always have a coin in a neat Little plastic case.....thats as far as i got with that one but i like the path that thinkings going.
Im a little busy today but I still plan on sitting down later to re-read all the post and your essay and I plan on writing myown essay in response to yours Morgiain. I find at this point I appreciate your ideas and I plan on deeply intergrating those ideas into my response. I just didnt want you thinking I was ignoring your reply Im just strapped for time this week.
Shane
Shane
... Nate... I'll give it a try.
Coin collectors, or numismatists (spelling?) always have this little case to keep their coins in. (display case... open it up and dump out a dirty and beat up coin) This is to keep the coin clean.
Personally, i think this is a little _____ (fill in negative term) (throw away plastic case.) What i do, is take dirty old coins, give them a little rub (give the ocin a little rub, changing it into a bright new coin)
... and the coin cleans itself! This way, i can pick coins up off the street (pick a coin up off the ground) , rub it (spellbound it to "polish" it) and sell it to coin collectors for jacked up prices!
... plooey. i ran out of juice. Will someone else continue this routine?
Coin collectors, or numismatists (spelling?) always have this little case to keep their coins in. (display case... open it up and dump out a dirty and beat up coin) This is to keep the coin clean.
Personally, i think this is a little _____ (fill in negative term) (throw away plastic case.) What i do, is take dirty old coins, give them a little rub (give the ocin a little rub, changing it into a bright new coin)
... and the coin cleans itself! This way, i can pick coins up off the street (pick a coin up off the ground) , rub it (spellbound it to "polish" it) and sell it to coin collectors for jacked up prices!
... plooey. i ran out of juice. Will someone else continue this routine?
thats good thinking but the down side would be as a laymen i just mite believe you can rub a coin to a polish finish with or with out magic. But if you can show your collectible coin in its case in your left hand and hold a borrowed coin in your right and cause a transpose of the two then wow thats logical magic at its best. asking for their coin to be singed is probably asking for to much but how else could we make their coin a "One of a kind worth keeping safe coin"? then they get to keep their singed sealed coin as a reminder of what just happened.
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Playing with the signed idea, one could have them sign a coin, let it dry. the let them try to "rub" the signature off. they can't...ah... but you CAN. Talk about coin cleaning (do the spellbound change) and now, you have one of the Spectators SIGNED coins to do something with... the impossible transposition you were just speaking of?
Nice eh? No? Oh well...
Nice eh? No? Oh well...
Very nice,don't let them try to rub it off ,thats not the magic part.
"If you don't give it time to dry(spellbound with a tissue in your hand) then your mark comes off, but if we give it time to dry (they mark the new coin the same way thinking its the same coin but wiped clean) the coin becomes permanently marked, a one of a kind,like this one i always carry with me for luck(bring sealed coin out Tail side up) ................
Maybe if the second time they sign "Their coin" its a double headed coin. and putting the tissue back in your pocket after the wipe is perfect opportunity for the load into the protective coin case.a slow close of the hand and open looks like the mark vanished but combined with the turning over of the case should look like a transpose.wow chicken you hit the coin right on the heads. a lot of loose ends but worth experimenting with.
Ok Morgician I first want to discuss your original post here and we'll move onto the rest in a little bit. Reading this with more time now I want to recap and discuss certain aspects of your post and throw some ideas out there as well. I have to agree with the fact that coins flying from one hand, Jumbo coins, and hide and seek values not living up to the standard that cards do. First it is illogical to have your audience feel any different then a cat and mouse game when vanishing from one hand to the other unless prompted to look like real magic. What I mean by this is yes your patter will need to make sense and have logic to a degree but if you move slowly and use lines like "look as I slowly rub my fingers together you can find the weak spot of the coin and it starts to bend", this has been presented this way with PK effects for years and retains the attention of the audience and looks like real magic at the same time leaving the audience feeling like your performing real magic as well, which is why alot of people decide to pursue magic from seeing coin tricks.
I agree that there has been a growing lack of creativity of presenting coin magic as something magical other than hey look at what I can do, and you cant. I feel coin magic is difficult and could leave us in limbo in discussions for a very long time due to the fact it takes a passion for it to make it magical which is what I think I was originally trying to state on my first post.
What are some other ways we can breach that level of a true magical moment with our audience using coins? M5, I can get a good reaction but mostly it does turn into a hide and seek reaction from my spectator. So I choose to do superman bends and a usage of a connected patter to my viewer in the essence of my question gets a question. " Do you beleive in magic or do you believe with a strong sense of mind control I can visually move this coin without touching it" Simply stating something without the words look it just flys from one hand and grows wings whoo hoo!!!
This is a strong point as to the fact of letting magic just be magic. Do we have a traditional sense to performing magic on many levels, yes. Is it up to every generation to push this art to be entertaining and unforgetably, absolutley. Without trickery then where just clown juggling bowling pins, thats what makes us magicians. I'll touch more on this thread later when I get the chance. Good thread though keep it going.
Shane
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And ambitious card is more logical than coins across? Yea a spectator can make three coins go from one hand to another, and they can also take a card from the center of the deck and put it on top. Almost any magical effect can be accomplished without the use of "magic" but what the hell does that have to do with ANYTHING? With that type of thinking, you may as well just quit magic because there's no point. The point isn't that it can be done in a non-magical manner, the point is that you are doing it in a magical manner.
And on another note, if you are good enough, you will inspire belief and your audience will suspend disbelief and therefore your first point should then be a non-issue.
You seem to have a mislead mentality about magic.
Personally I think you just don't have any skills in the way of coin magic so this is your weak attempt to somehow make coin magic seem unimportant and dumb to even attempt so that you won't seem lacking as a magician with no coin skills. There's nothing wrong with a magician who doesn't perform with coins.
But like everyone says, don't knock it till you've tried it. And I mean truly given it a go. Not just a half a$$ed attempt so that you can say you've tried it and don't like it. If you want to down on something or someone, it is my belief that you must first have experienced what that something is or what that someone does.
And on another note, if you are good enough, you will inspire belief and your audience will suspend disbelief and therefore your first point should then be a non-issue.
You seem to have a mislead mentality about magic.
Personally I think you just don't have any skills in the way of coin magic so this is your weak attempt to somehow make coin magic seem unimportant and dumb to even attempt so that you won't seem lacking as a magician with no coin skills. There's nothing wrong with a magician who doesn't perform with coins.
But like everyone says, don't knock it till you've tried it. And I mean truly given it a go. Not just a half a$$ed attempt so that you can say you've tried it and don't like it. If you want to down on something or someone, it is my belief that you must first have experienced what that something is or what that someone does.