I'm not in any way eager to carry on this debate any longer, so let's just take a look at what we have now Keo. And perhaps we could actually settle this in, hopefully, a peaceful way.
Personally, I thought this debate ended three weeks ago. But Okay, I will bite.
"See the problem with this is that, your over exposure is not over exposure for someone else."
Yea, I agree. However I do believe I am free to look into my own perspectives when I look at the words "over exposure". If you don't think this is over-exposure then I'll pretty much only have two words. Suit yourself. It is our own perspectives anyway.
X3, well suit yourself as well. Just hope you don't go to a brick and mortar shop or hey a magic club, those guys will tell you magic principles right quick. Look there is a difference between exposure and the sharing of magical PRINCIPALS. Personally though I really think, like the science community, some ideas should be shared or made aware of to the masses. How are we ever going to advanced if Joe schmo below me continues to reinvent something that I had already invented two years previously? It's like having every person reinvent the wheel. It is unneeded and is counter productive to the community as a whole.
That is one reason why I do not like all these variations, Tivos, etc etc etc coming out. What in the world does it accomplish?? The answer is nothing. Also, just reiterating I am talking about exposure through casual chat, forums, IMs etc etc. and not piracy via torrenting, rapidshare, megaupload, etc etc, that is the truly destructive behavior and is just bad form.
"Yet I do not consider myself an expert on any of the subjects, does that mean I can't lend a helping hand to someone who has reached out for advice and instead direct them to a mentor?"
No that does not mean you can't. I am merely suggesting that someone direct him to an expert in the field. Of course, you could lend a hand. But then of course, this could, and in my opinion, should be done in private.
anyway if you want me to direct someone to a mentor on levitation. Email Jim Steinmeyer and hirer him as a consultant. Are you happy now Nova? I am not doing anything wrong by telling him how things are done over the forum. It is no worse then saying or talking about one of the thousand ways of doing a flipping double lift.
"However, magic as a whole does not hold any secrets that can't be found out."
That's true. What I was referring to would be having Cedric take his own step out to unlock that particular door to the secrets he wants to discover.
First of all, in magic there are no locked doors just closed doors that anyone, magician or none magician can turn the knob and find out secrets. I gave him references and things to look into. It is only a minor crack in the open door way, a taste of what is hidden behind door number one. If he wants to he can open the door fully, I will not do it for him.
Another thing, I find the entire exposure debate rather pointless. If there is a will there is a way. If there is a true will in someone to go look for magic secrets, then I feel, that person actually has an interest in magic and should be embraced and taken underwing to teach them the ethical practices of magicians. If these people are looking up magic just to know how things are done, then so what! They aren't going to do anything with it, or just go and jack off with it for a few friends then forget about it like discarded porn.
"How about you really explain everything fully onto how and why you think that is wrong? I have a huge thorn in my foot with this statement and do not want to latch on it without knowing everything fully."
Perhaps the word "wrong" was never a good choice to begin with. But nonetheless, I was implying that Cedric should turn to a proper way, say buying the trick, to find out the full method for magic, rather than depend on others for it.
Okay so you are saying instead of being a creator, he should rely on other creators to do the work for him then market it to him so he can buy it as a consumer. I prefer not to be a consumer but a creator. If you prefer to be a consumer, then go for it, nothing wrong with it. Also you evaded my request, why do you not type out your entire stance on why you think me sharing bits of information on an online forum is wrong?
"The fact that you keep including DVDs in your post disturbs me. I would take a book over anything now a day then a DVD. Another note, you are debating circles."
I have nothing against buying books. The only reason why I did not include this into my examples and suggestions for Cedric would be the fact that I'm merely shortening my post. Honestly I have never said anything against people who prefer books over DVDs, so why get disturbed? It was merely an example I decided to include.
And if you feel like I'm debating circles, then why not ignore my posts altogether.
Because unfortunately I feel you are giving miss informed posts and I do not want others to read your posts that I ignored and consider as total truth when in fact it isn't. Neither of our opinions are total truths.
The only reason why I said that about books is for the simple reason that you sound like a magician who is just starting out and the most common mistake I have seen in magicians just starting out is that they rely on DVDS instead of the written word.
"I have a question for you and it may seem like something completely out of the blue. How long have you been in magic, more specifically studying the art of magic?"
Look mate, this is probably the most insulting question that you have posed me. Either you're mocking my level of magic, you just can't stant how "immature" I am in my arguments, or you're mocking my level of intelligence. Well, I don't know.
Not at all, Like I stated previously I had a feeling you haven't been in magic very long. It wasn't meant as insult but merely confirmation of my hunch.
Honestly I will admit I am not what you would call an expert in the art of magic, nor will I claim that I am better than you are. Why? Because I am merely one year in and I am pretty much what you would call a newbie. That is, in your perspective that you are much more experienced than I am. Nonetheless, I still stand with my perspective. Though I will acknolwedge your point of view that Cedric was not 100% looking for exposure, I still believe we could direct him to certain other sources nonetheless.
I don't like it when beginners in magic call themselves noobs or other derivative of it. Just a personal quirk is all, I do not like elitism and if you feel that is what is going on here, I apologize. You will however see that your current perspective will change later on down the path of magic. I know my views on magic seven years back are a complete 180 to what they are now.
