Agreed, there are many similarites between E and T11, but the significant difference is T11 having higher quality products, not completely over pricing everything, and not having Nazi forums. I like Penguin the best because of the forums and prices, but I have nothing against T11. I really like it here also. You guys have a sense of humor and very friendly people here. I just really hate E though. With there super super hyped products feeding you lies on the page. With taking old sources of learning and turning them into to new over priced Dvd's*cough* HOW TO DO STREET MAGIC*cough*, and also there new rip-off called " stained sack.. I mean skin" It's just weak. Freakin Nazi's tryin to do magic. Calling themselves " Ellusionist" now.